4G iPhone will have 'magic' touch sensitive shell?
Bloomberg has a weird one today from Goldman Sachs analyst Robert Chan who lays out the following features for iPhone 4G:
Apple Inc.’s latest iPhone will probably be available as early as June, include a more advanced [5 megapixel] camera, and may feature a touch-sensitive casing, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst Robert Chen said in an interview, without identifying who gave him the information. “Apple’s going to put a lot of innovation, not just on the hardware, but also on the software of the new iPhone,” said Taipei-based Chen, a member of Asia’s top-ranked technology hardware research team. The handset will feature a new plastic casing similar to that used for Apple’s touch-panel Magic Mouse released last year, he said.
It is difficult to imagine why you'd need the casing of the iPhone to be touch sensitive if the screen already is, unless it has some sort of classic iPod type of jog wheel (which might be interesting for gaming).
Magic Mouse, a computer mouse released in October, has a touch-sensitive solid plastic shell that replaces mechanical buttons. The technology may be replicated in the new iPhone to offer touch-sensitive features on the rear of the handset, Chen said.
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Comments (29)
perhaps they are using to control phone functions such as volume, etc. i remember a while back there was a patent filing from apple regarding using the area around the screen as a touch sensitive place to perform command functions for the device.
Touching the back while showing virtual finger tips on the front would keep fingers from blocking the user's vision, and thus reduce unintended results.
Imagine scrolling on the iPhone's back with your finger? Definitely intuitive albeit unnecessary.
un-intuitive surely!
i really hope apple don't put any touch controls on the back of this (or the tablet). It sounds nuts to me! A bunch a great new gestures will do! I hope the iPhone gets a editable summary page - I always miss iCal events because I don't think to open it up.
Why don't you set an alarm for events that you don't want to miss?
Chen probably has a short position on Apple stock. That way, when all these gee-whiz features don't materialize, people will be more likely to dump their AAPL, the value drops, Chen profits. (And why would you want to put a touch volume control on the back of the case when it's already in the earbud wire? Unless there are new wireless earbuds?)
This was in a patent in 2007. Certainly is possible.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/05/10/apple_filing_reveals_multi...
It would be great for gaming, since a lot of the games that are out right use inscreen controls, having them on the back would give a munch better experience.
No actually it would not.
Yes, if it is used for the Home button, volume control, dedicated camera button, etc, this makes perfect sense and will be in line with Steve Jobs' (and my) hate of buttons. And if the can design a unibody iPhone in doing this, all the better!
I'll bet physical buttons occupy much more space internally, too. It'll be millimetres, but great industrial design is often the net accumulation of modest gains.
Well at least you and Steve have something in common other than requiring to eat, sleep, and going to the bathroom every once in a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFwg9tXp4w&feature=player_embedded
No mention of the Palm Pre?
Anyone got earlier examples than the Pre of using off screen areas for touch sensitive gestures/buttons?
Pressure sensitivity - sounds like the "me too" posting on this patent and post seem to have missed this.
Pressure sensitivity - sounds like the "me too" posting on this patent and post seem to have missed this.
If this is true, so much for using a case to protect it from scratches.
Cases would simply integrate screen protector-like areas wherever there are touch sensitive areas, for example, the back of the device (even though, other than gaming, i wouldn't see much use for rear panel controls). I doubt apple would put touch sensitive areas for controls on the sides(s) of the device, because these are curved, and that might make it a bit harder. If they did something on the dedicated controls (volume, vibrate toggle, sleep, etc.), I think they'd just bring them down to flush buttons like on the MacBook Pros (power, battery indicator, etc.). These could easily be used with a cover over the device. I currently use an InCase shell on my MacBook Pro 13, which covers the battery indicator button, but still allows its use without any difficulty.
Apple wouldn't make a device that excluded case manufacturers from the game. Not only do customers & users want protective cases for their devices. But in case you haven't noticed, Apple makes pretty good money at its stores peddling these accessories at full price. Don't get me wrong, I think cases and protective gear are necessary. But in case you haven't realized it, Apple dedicates as much floor space in its stores to iPod & iPhone cases, as it does to Mac software.
its interesting, but in the article where people were discussing "whack" gestures, didn't they say that anything else (such as a touch casing) would be too affected by a pocket or other leading to a high error rate? nonetheless i expect apple to surprise.
It would make a lot of sense for the tablet to have touch sensativity on the back of the case. Perhaps then the Iphone 4g would get the capability as well in order to unify the interface.
No is simply the answer to this ridiculous rumor thats circulating. It's zero sense, has no practical use, and it would greatly interfere with normal iPhone use.
Send this garbage article to the trash please.
Think about the latest generation shuffle as a proof that Apple can make a device that is almost free of hardware buttons on the actual device. Or if nothing else, I think they'll bring flush button controls similar to the power & battery indicator buttons on the MacBook Pros. Not only will it make the devices look clean and stream-lined (like Steve & Johnathan always try to do), but they might even reduce internal component space as mentioned by a previous poster.
I doubt the iPhone will see significant reductions in size, or changes in shape that are too drastic. These would change the feel of the device in your hand too much. But making a tad bit thinner might be alright. And freeing some internal space allows Apple to add more technological goodness inside (improved camera components, bigger battery).
I'm glad I've waited to buy my iPhone. I expect the next generation to be nothing short of spectacular.
Think about the latest generation shuffle as a proof that Apple can make a device that is almost free of hardware buttons on the actual device. Or if nothing else, I think they'll bring flush button controls similar to the power & battery indicator buttons on the MacBook Pros. Not only will it make the devices look clean and stream-lined (like Steve & Johnathan always try to do), but they might even reduce internal component space as mentioned by a previous poster.
I doubt the iPhone will see significant reductions in size, or changes in shape that are too drastic. These would change the feel of the device in your hand too much. But making a tad bit thinner might be alright. And freeing some internal space allows Apple to add more technological goodness inside (improved camera components, bigger battery).
I'm glad I've waited to buy my iPhone. I expect the next generation to be nothing short of spectacular.
For the tablet it would be cool if it could tell if I was holding it with my left or right hand (or both). A common complaint about WinXP tablets was that they were set up for righties, so when a lefty used the stylus their hand would hide the popup menus and things.
Pick up your iPhone (or your imaginary one) and put your thumb on the front - your index finger on the back... and then scroll a pretend image of a marble on the screen...
We're talking 3D manipulation here!
@Seth
'It is difficult to imagine why you'd need the casing of the iPhone to be touch sensitive if the screen already is,....'
I guess this is why you couldn't even make it as Ive's assistant.
When you are dealing with a small device, under a strict 'avoid buttons' imperative, it all comes down to surface area and how you can use it. There is no reason not to use the side or rear surfaces as secondary, complementary, touch surfaces. The added functionality would depend on context. For example, on a Mac with a multi-touch pad or Magic Mouse, you can do a forward or backward 2 finger slide on its own. When augmented by holding down the Control key, you get to zoom in or out of your screen view. On any keyboard PC or Mac, you can type a key and get the lower case character, or add the Shift key to get the Caps version. With a Mac you can take this functional augmentation even further with the Option key (with or without the Shift key) to get layers upon layers of added functionality from a single keypress.
So, munchkins, adding this basic BASIC insight to actions on the main screen touch surface, imagine the permutations that might be gained by adding rear surface actions to add multiple augmentations. Not really any harder than learning that Command P = Print and Command S = Save on a Mac. Why complain about anticipated complexity when the added UI richness and flexibility should bring a schmile to your face? We would be able to configure the gesture 'vocabulary' to suit our individual levels of incompetence. Much simpler than learning to drive a manual car, or play the guitar well, after all. The saxophone is a good example too, with controls above and below. And so it goes and goes .....
I am not saying that this is what Apple have in mind for the 4G phone, but it is a real possiblity in terms of adding multiple new gesture combinations. It is even possible to do away with a traditional keyboard layout altogether, albeit with a steep re-learning period. But then Apple has already helped people transition from button based keyboards to typing on-screen. That wasn't too painful was it.
And I'm not even Ive's assistant.
Chandra C
Hmm, this could probably make the "slide to unlock" gesture obsolete. Just as the touch screen, the back surface of the iPhone could react only to human hands (ever touched the iPhone touchscreen with cloth or any other material? It doesn't work. Only works when you touch it with human flesh :-) ). So the iPhone is locked, and as soon as a human hand touches it, it becomes unlocked (unless you've setup a lock code, of course). This would be great!
Hmm, this could probably make the "slide to unlock" gesture obsolete. Just as the touch screen, the back surface of the iPhone could react only to human hands (ever touched the iPhone touchscreen with cloth or any other material? It doesn't work. Only works when you touch it with human flesh :-) ). So the iPhone is locked, and as soon as a human hand touches it, it becomes unlocked (unless you've setup a lock code, of course). This would be great!
Maybe Mr. Chen read it on my blog? :-) A touch surface makes totally sense, especially for games, means finger won't block your view on the screen. A magic touch surface would be an add-on not a must-on. I was speculating about this idea some months ago on my Blog synapsemassage.com: iPhone 4G Magic, iPod 4G Touch Magic :-). Chandras points are absolutely valid!