Microsoft's Project Natal impresses

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It's no secret that Apple is morphing AppleTV into something bigger...with games. If and when Apple enters home gaming market, that product's competition will come from Microsoft's XBox. Microsoft wowed the audience at today's E3 with their idea of the XBox of the future.  Keep in mind, this is only a concept at this point, much like Microsoft's Surface was two years ago (and where are we now?).

Natal is particularly impressive given Microsoft's recent past in home entertainment.

Notice that laptop is a Mac? That sticker leaves the Apple leaf uncovered.

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IRONY..

"How many Push-ups can chuck norris do?"
Well thats obviously a trick question because chuck norris doesnt do push-ups, hes pulls the earth to his chest.

That's the point... they don't give you an answer

So when you die in real life... BSOD?

...I think I'd feel happier dieing with a rainbow Mac swirly, much less depressing ;)

So when you die in real life... BSOD?

...I think I'd feel happier dieing with a rainbow Mac swirly, much less depressing ;)

I love the fact that they are trying to copy Garageband and that they are using a Mac for the demo :o)

As a Xbox 360 gamer, I'm very excited to see where this is going. This is indeed the next step in gaming interfaces and not just an evolution of the Wii formula (a.k.a. Sony's new motion controller).
This 3D camera technology will, IMO, provide a sense of immersion that no other physical peripheral can.
It's a pretty good time to be a gamer :)

Also, if Apple does indeed enter the videogame market, I can't see their console going up against Xbox 360 or PS3. I can easily see it defying the Wii due to the more casual nature of the games that already populate the App Store (and my iPod Touch :P). If Apple is to be successful in the gaming market through Apple TV (or a dedicated console), they'll need huge developer support, competitive pricing (sub $300) and increased functionality.
I love Apple and their products, but they would really have to change their attitude towards gaming and towards users as a whole in order to be successful. Gamers are not really interested in the design of their console, or in the way its outer casing is manufactured (not taking a stab at Apple, just stating facts). They're interested in functionality, innovation, chalenge, good (make that great) software and good hardware to handle it.
If Apple were to release a $500 console with the same abilities as the Wii, they would probably be the laughing stock of the gaming market and they would have a Pippin 2 on their hands. However, a sub $300 console with current gen graphics, a lot of support from established devs and some form of innovation (be it gameplay, social interaction or other) would really shake up the community.

Enough rambling. I'm interested in Apple joining the gaming market. It'll probably provide more competition, better products and better games. I just hope that they realise that most gamers are not high-end enthusiasts with infinite capacity wallets and that most are between the ages of 16 and 26.
I also think they should focus on getting proper Mac support first. Like paying Valve the million dollars they asked to port the Steam platform and all the Source-based games to the Mac. That would simply amazing, not to mention Apple would get that million back in less than a year.

I don't mean to rain on your parade but the idea that an Apple can rival the Wii is ridiculous they have a much better chance trying to take out the PS3. The Wii has the highest sales of any current generation console. The PS3 has the lowest. The other problem I see with your statement is the idea that what makes a great console is good hardware, I mean have you looked inside the 360 and the PS3 it would be like comparing the mac mini to pro mac, they're on completely different levels as far as hardware.It all has to do with title and you demographic your trying to reach. With the 360, Microsoft has a very closed demographic. I'm not trying to make fun of 360 players but a majority of 360 games are made of mindless shooters. I mean when was the last good RPG for the 360 or how about the last good strategy game (that wasn't a port of a windows game i.e. C&C)? The PS3 has a very broad demographic, and honestly, it is the reason it is not doing so well in the US. This is why internationally the PS3 has been doing okay in the sales department, nothing too great but okay. I think if Apple should attack anyone with their console it should be PC games. I mean if I could connect my iPhone or iPod Touch and have digital keyboard set up with customized hot key buttons hooked up to my TV I would do it. Imagine Starcraft II in HD on you TV with the crosshair commands on the right and a digital trackpad on the left to move you mouse! Maybe they will build it into a new version of the Apple TV with some new processors and graphics cards and just start adding games to an App Store similar to the iPhone.

I don't want to turn this into a console war, but the comparison you made between the 360 and PS3 hardware is fallacious at best.
Also, the 360, even though it caters to the so-called mindless hardcore crowd, currently has more (good quality) RPGs than the PS3. Go figure.
I didn't say Apple *should* go after the Wii. I only said that Apple's console (based on the kind of games that already exist on the iPhone) will probably offer an experience quite similar to the Wii (more casual games). Apple didn't mean to go after the DS with the iPod Touch/iPhone but what happened was that the kind of games available on both platforms were so similar that comparisons between the two were (and still are) inevitable.
I said that what makes a console worth buying is great games (and, mainly, great exclusives) but you need good hardware to run them on. Nintendo put last gen graphics with a new controller scheme and it worked. If Apple (or anyone else for that matter) puts last gen graphics with a classic controller scheme, it will fail.
I agree that Apple should go after the PC but by supporting Mac game developers and not by building a console. We need Macs with better Gfx cards and we need Apple to invest in great devs such as Valve.
An Apple console would be pretty cool, but it's too soon and, frankly, not needed.

we have an xbox 360 and a PS3 and the and the only games we have on the 360 are halo COD & gears of war and on the PS3 we have fallout 3 bioshock and mirrors edge and i know a lot of other people with xbox 360's and the only type of games that they have are fps's whereas i also know a lot of people that have PS3's and the majority of the games that they play are rpg's

The Songsmith ad is horrible! Not only is the logo horrid, but the presentation of the video was enough to make me sick... *vomits*

Sometimes I question if Microsoft has any taste at all xD

songsmith sounds like gm midi and band in a box...

natal is very impressive though...

i own a 360 but never have enough time to game maybe this will change with it...

I'm actually curious how Nintendo will react.
Since this is Microsoft how we've learned to know them: see what is successfull (aka the Wii) and copy it. Cause basically this is just an upgrade on what the Wii already can do.

I think you're talking about Sony, there. Sony took the Wiimote, copied it and made it more precise. Sony's motion will consist of 2 magic sticks with accelerometers that are tracked by the Playstation Eye for a more accurate movement.
Microsoft came out with 3D motion capturing tech, never-before-seen on a gaming console, that lets you use your whole body (not just your hands) to control an on-screen avatar.
Completely different tech. Actually, this tech is as revolutionary as the Wiimote (if not more). But people will only realise it when actual games come out for that thing.

It does seem really cool, but I just keep remembering that old Red Steel trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zea6FH1w1Zc), and then how awful that game was compared to everyone's hopes. This is just such a major leap that I'm sort of afraid of the reality.

What I actually mean is that this is like the Wii without all the needed hardware (Wii-remote + Wii fit).

I'm not saying that I don't like the concept, I really love it. But I think that without the Wii this would never have happened. Nintendo showed us how we really like these kind of games. And Sony and Microsoft are now jumping on this train to get a share of this new 'casual gamer' market.

I do hope that this will become reality as it's a really great idea. On the other hand this is just a proof of concept and I believe that in first instances we'll be needing some kind of receptors (bracelets or such) for the software to use as motion capture reference.

But even bracelets will be an advancement over the Wii Fit and the Wii remote.

bummer, looks like microsoft probably has the jump on a lot of these patents. anybody have any more insight?

So why doesn´t this dad use Garageband, which works pretty great I think, when he is actually using a Macbook Pro in the video?!? xD

Firstly, I wanna say that I think Natal would be brilliant, but there's a couple of issues with it:
1. You would need a pretty big room - while on the skateboard, that boy was jumping here, there and everywhere.
2. The idea that that sort of technology (motion tracking without wearing a motion tracking suit, voice/facial/object recognition of that caliber) will be available to the general public, at a reasonable price in the next 5-10 years is completely lawlable.
3. Even if it WAS available, the technology would be flawed. Facial and voice recognition could not differentiate between a set of identical twins, and if both are in the screen waiting to be identified, the thing would probably just crash.
4. For the motion tracking to work - apparently in 3D space - you would need 4 cameras placed around you, so that it could detect what you're doing. To combat that, you would need a motion suit, which would take away the idea that you are the controller.
Like with Vista (and Windows 7), Microsoft are aiming too high. They don't seem to understand that, some people like things the way that they are. People like being able to play a game sitting down. This concept caters for the active types. What about disabled people? What about people who can't get up and act like total douche in order to play a video game?
The wii worked that very well, in that, you don't HAVE to move about. You CAN just sit. Microsoft, in removing the controller totally, has removed a (rather large) percent of gamers, because they simply won't be able to play.

"To combat that, you would need a motion suit, which would take away the idea that you are the controller" - well no, not necessarily

"What about people who can't get up and act like total douche in order to play a video game" - no one said you had to ya douche

"they don't seem to understand that, some people like things the way that they are" - so that pretty much trashes any reason to innovate. lets all just start using windows 95 again that sounds cool.

"This concept caters for the active types." - no shit, they also have a regular controller for people who arent

"Microsoft, in removing the controller totally, has removed a (rather large) percent of gamers, because they simply won't be able to play." - they never ever said anything about more accessibility that is NOT the point of natal, and being a gamer myself it looks pretty cool and i bet you didnt actually watch the keynote (its from the microsoft keynote at e3 on monday did you even know that?), so look at this its fucking cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxU_T7C4Ils

its experimental at best right now it cant be perfect right when they first try it, they never said they were selling it right now, ITS A WORK IN PROGRESS. and apple would never mention a new project like this so far in advance, they'd keep us in the dark. think about what you say dude.

So, I guess you have 4 eyes...

Also, check this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWnZOseA3Lw
The technology is not that far...

 It seems like they have a pretty decent working version unless the demo was a total fake and all the motions that girl makes are choreographed. In that case, I hope they paid her a lot because she is AWESOME!

Games that you sit down with are why we have Fat kids all over the US.

The Wii changed that and YES, you do need a large area to get the full gaming experience.

The Wii also changed the gaming experience making it a family experience and not a fat kid sitting in his room playing Dungeons and Dragons eating twinkies.

Your comment about twins is just ignorant and looking for flaws.

Your comment about disable people is reaching. You are looking at a small percentage that still have good gaming options to use.

Why did 9 o 5 even put the Songsmith video with this posting?

Obviously trying to dimminish a great product with a failure.

Why didn't they put a video of Pippin with it. That was such a huge success.

Second video was awful..is that a real Microsoft ad?
Cant they do anything better??
it was like noise to my ears.... someone tell them to change it :-(

Seriously. When that poor blond girl is in her 20s she is going to tell someone that there is an embarrassing video of her floating about on the web. That person will reply - a porno? She will reply, no, I'm not embarrassed by that. It was the Microsoft Songsmith commercial I made when I was a kid.

Firstly, I wanna say that I think Natal would be brilliant, but there's a couple of issues with it:
1. You would need a pretty big room - while on the skateboard, that boy was jumping here, there and everywhere.
2. The idea that that sort of technology (motion tracking without wearing a motion tracking suit, voice/facial/object recognition of that caliber) will be available to the general public, at a reasonable price in the next 5-10 years is completely lawlable.
3. Even if it WAS available, the technology would be flawed. Facial and voice recognition could not differentiate between a set of identical twins, and if both are in the screen waiting to be identified, the thing would probably just crash.
4. For the motion tracking to work - apparently in 3D space - you would need 4 cameras placed around you, so that it could detect what you're doing. To combat that, you would need a motion suit, which would take away the idea that you are the controller.
Like with Vista (and Windows 7), Microsoft are aiming too high. They don't seem to understand that, some people like things the way that they are. People like being able to play a game sitting down. This concept caters for the active types. What about disabled people? What about people who can't get up and act like total douche in order to play a video game?
The wii worked that very well, in that, you don't HAVE to move about. You CAN just sit. Microsoft, in removing the controller totally, has removed a (rather large) percent of gamers, because they simply won't be able to play.

Firstly, I wanna say that I think Natal would be brilliant, but there's a couple of issues with it:
1. You would need a pretty big room - while on the skateboard, that boy was jumping here, there and everywhere.
2. The idea that that sort of technology (motion tracking without wearing a motion tracking suit, voice/facial/object recognition of that caliber) will be available to the general public, at a reasonable price in the next 5-10 years is completely lawlable.
3. Even if it WAS available, the technology would be flawed. Facial and voice recognition could not differentiate between a set of identical twins, and if both are in the screen waiting to be identified, the thing would probably just crash.
4. For the motion tracking to work - apparently in 3D space - you would need 4 cameras placed around you, so that it could detect what you're doing. To combat that, you would need a motion suit, which would take away the idea that you are the controller.
Like with Vista (and Windows 7), Microsoft are aiming too high. They don't seem to understand that, some people like things the way that they are. People like being able to play a game sitting down. This concept caters for the active types. What about disabled people? What about people who can't get up and act like total douche in order to play a video game?
The wii worked that very well, in that, you don't HAVE to move about. You CAN just sit. Microsoft, in removing the controller totally, has removed a (rather large) percent of gamers, because they simply won't be able to play.

Hasn't Wii told you anything about the market. The rather large percent of gamers you are talking about would be over weight people, which I don't think this device is aimed for. The Wii is successful because of its games like wii fit, and wii sports both of which require you to get off your butt and actually move. Wii Fit has sold over 15 million copies, so I think Natal will have a large audience as well, if not larger. I really look forward to Natal. Unlike the Wii the Xbox 360 will have both casual and hard core games; the Wii really only have casual games, or maybe I should say the vast of majority of the games made for the Wii is casual games.

How does it know that you're not just talking to someone else in the room?
How tired are my arms going to get holding non-existent controllers?

"For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive — you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure of course, but meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same programme." --- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy