Microsoft's Ballmer concedes Apple's gains; Dell income dwindles
Microsoft executives faced a barrage of Apple-related questions during that company’s annual shareholder’s meeting last night, while disappointed Dell revealed net income decline of 54 percent, year-on-year.
Dell announced $12.9 billion in revenue (down 15 percent y-on-y) for net income of $337 million. The company blamed its results on poor public sector sales and a consumer move to favour cheaper Dell PCs. All told, disappointing results for Dell.
Dell Chairman and CEO, Michael Dell, noted his expectation that his company may profit from the long-awaited PC replacement cycle on the release of Windows 7, saying, “I think there is an aging installed base for sure. You just have an accumulation of new technologies at the hardware, software, virtualized client and these IT managers really know they cannot extend the life of these client assets forever. While I don’t think it is all going to occur at once, I think it will be a rolling refresh that occurs over perhaps 18 months, I can’t remember a time when a very high percentage of them skipped an entire operating system. So what we remind them, and they know this, Windows XP is eight years old.”
But will Windows XP users move to Mac?
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer doesn't believe they will, even though he acknowledges Apple’s picked up some market share.
He had little answer to one shareholder who accused Microsoft of having a poor rep in contrast to Apple in the key segments of student and younger computer users. "I'm just wondering why your marketing group can't do something to try to rein in this next generation, because you've got a real bad image out there," the shareholder said.
Ballmer’s answer? "There's certainly always opportunities for improvement," he said.
Microsoft’s boss remains bullish. "You take any country, including this one, and you say, how are we doing?" he continued. "The truth of the matter is, we do quite well. Even among college students, we do quite well. Do we have an opportunity for improvement? We do. Some of that is marketing some of that is phase of life. It is important to remember that 96 times out of 100 worldwide, people choose a PC with Windows, that's a good thing. Even in the toughest market, which would be the high end of the consumer market here in the US, 83 times out of 100 people choose a Windows PC over a Mac."
On Windows 7, Ballmer said, “Windows 7 I think gives us a real opportunity to come back again at some audiences that have been tougher for us. Frankly, the economy is good for us, because people do understand that Macintoshes are quite a bit more expensive for essentially the same computer…but we have opportunities to improve among exactly the constituency that you identify."
Analyst Charles Wolf in September noted that Apple’s share of the home computer market had more than tripled in the past five years.
Illustration: This image is of a closed invite-only meeting hosted by Microsoft at its campus every year. Spot the PC versus Mac laptop mix. Via: WindowsPhoneThoughts and Daring Fireball.
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Comments (14)
...essentially the same computer... What a n00b!
Not to try to be an unnecessarily anti-Microsoft troll here, but this Michael Dell quote struck me: “...'I can’t remember a time when a very high percentage of them skipped an entire operating system.'"
Isn't that kinda what actually happened with Vista? or am I misunderstanding him.
Perhaps he was misquoted and he said "can" instead of "can't"?
“...'I can remember a time when a very high percentage of them skipped an entire operating system.'"
Me too.
I think he means that the skippage that occurred with Vista is something he hadn't seen before. Saying the lack of adoption of XP's successor was something that hadn't happend on such a wide scale before. Now people are more gung-ho about Windows 7 that maybe Microsoft can restore the regular upgrade cycle that the Software/PC Indsutry enjoyed prior to Vista.
""I'm just wondering why your marketing group can't do something to try to rein in this next generation, because you've got a real bad image out there," the shareholder said." . . . . . . .
Ummmm, Mr Shareholder, It is not about marketing, it is about the quality and capability of the product.
It is ALL about the marketing. You have to have a good product to back it up, but honestly - Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are both good OS's. Microsoft has a bad image, but it's not going to change with just a good product - marketing is HUGE in this arena!
Is that a real photograph? If so MS has some real work ahead of its self. If it's shareholders who attend "closed invite-only meeting" aren't running the software natively, who is?
Does anyone else not find it funny that half the MICROSOFT shareholders are sitting there with Macbooks??? Who gathers data for Balmer? If 83 out of 100 high end users preferred PC over Mac, then there would only be 2 Macbooks at that table.
yeah.... the last statistic i looked at said 91% of laptops sold over $1000 were Mac. Ballmer is an idiot.
The last statstic I looked at said 99% of stats on here are made up by readers to prove a non relevant point.
Theres no way on the face of this planet 91% of laptops over $1000 sold are Macs, if so Steve could junk the iphone and ipod and concentrate on the PC business. As it is the iphone and ipod side is vastly more profitable. Its kind of a catch 22 situation as you yanks call it where Apple could really do with a cheap, and I mean cheap Macbook where they could easily increase market share, but that would damage the premium image they have. However with some pretty decent profits could now be the time to go cut throat?
Actually you are wrong!
According to NPD, in June, nine out of 10 dollars spent on computers costing $1,000 or more went to Apple. Mac revenue market share in the "premium" price segment was 91 percent, up from 88 percent in May. Read for yourself!
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-100...
Having read that article and unable to find anything else that backs up that claim it doesn't seem quite right. Even so in the U.S you seem to be into buying dirt cheap computers. 1000$ PCs/laptops only account for 7% of the overall market so, 91% of that is therefore 6%. So in the month of June Apple had 6% of the market. I don't think the European market behaves like this, which probably accounts for a larger overall number of sales than the U.S. Would be interesting to compare.
Makes my second point even more valid though. If most of the market is in the sub $1000 arena then surely this is where Apple should be aggressively pushing. Get everyone using MACOS, and wanting to buy more expensive machines in the future as main PCs or whatever.
It's interesting the noises made about this issue. Perhaps people are steadily waking to the fact that a new operating system, requiring arguably new hardware, does not allow them any more productivity or greatly enhanced "user experience".
I'd challenge anyone to prove that they can type and produce a finished printed 10 page report any faster or significantly better looking today with current hardware and OS you could with a Mac / Laserwriter from circa 1987.
W7 might be good, as is OSX - but in reality they do nothing more than absorb more processing power animating icons and looking attacks against themselves because their own complexity has snowballed to the point that it has become impossible to squash every vulnerability. I think people generally are sick of it.
It seems to me people are finally waking up to this fact and working out that there is little value in updating until there is a quantum leap in technology.
Dell, HP, MS, Apple, Google, Company X? Double productivity and / or double the value of the experience and they will buy.
/randomambling
Marketing also requires the difficult issues to be avoided.
For example, the stockholder's question on poor rep amongst "younger (student) generations", Ballmer deflected this to a discussion of worldwide shares, which chooses to ignore the 2006, 2007 & 2008 reports (source: dailyprincetonian.com) that Windows had fallen to a mere 60% market share at Princeton University (yes, Mac have a 40% installed base, due to a 60% Market Share in new sales being Macs).
Similarly,
@Fatigued:
"Perhaps people are steadily waking to the fact that a new operating system, requiring arguably new hardware, does not allow them any more productivity or greatly enhanced 'user experience'."
Agreed. What Mr. Dell is seeing...but hoping to avoid...is the day whereupon the Personal Computer becomes the utilitarian "toaster" which doesn't need to be re-purchased every 4 years due to huge growths in its capability. Simply put, PC hardware became commodity items a few years ago, as did also Windows when it hit the XP revision. The basic $800 PC is sufficient to most tasks and within the Windows ecosystem, there's no real "Killer Apps" which make it compelling to pay for an upgrade before its useful *hardware* based end-of-life. As such, we can expect the average age of PCs to rise...and continue to rise.
-hh