Want an Atom 330-based Mac Mini? No, you don't
The rumor du jour coming out of Tom's Hardware is that Apple is going to replace the current Mac Mini's Core2Duo with a dual core Atom 330-type processor. This is kinda like going to the garage and having having your BMW 328 engine replaced with that of a Toyota Corolla. The 1.6GHz Atom 330 Processor which is in the ION platform is slower than even the current Mac Mini.
So, unless Apple is going to be turning the Mini line into a low priced Net-top set of devices, it wouldn't make sense to put a slower, cheaper processor under the hood. Even with dedicated NVIDIA 9400N graphics and all kinds of tricks, that thing would chug.
Check the benchmarks, the Duallie Atom 330 is rated at less than 2/3rds the speed of the Pentium D circa 2005-2006 for most tasks. This is great when sold at $30/chip and put into a $300 Netbook to run a browser on XP or Linux, but definitely not aimed at the $600-$800 Mac DESKTOP market. A Pentium D isn't even as fast as the current Mac Mini's chip so the slowdown would certainly be noticeable.
They are backtracking a bit saying that this could go into the AppleTV. While this makes a lot more sense (with NVIDIA/ION we might see full 1080P capable AppleTVs) we aren't sure we expect to see this any time soon. Plus, we expect the AppleTV to move to the ARM platform soon.
Or a netbook.
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Providing better cost savings to consumers while staying competitive is what Apple is most likely aiming for here with using the Intel Atom 64-bit CPU instead of the Core 2 Duo CPU in the Mac Mini line. After all the Mac Mini is more for budget conscious consumers instead of those looking for higher end graphics and processing power which can be found in the more expensive iMac, Mac Pro and MacBook.
I don't shive-a-git what is cost savings to Apple. I want a product that fulfills my technical and performance needs at a price I'm willing to pay. And if Apple can't produce it, I'll be forced to look for it elsewhere. That's it. Using the Atom is a huge step backwards in performance. Over the history of the Mac Mini line it has always been on par with the line of MacBook laptops. Laptop parts, without a screen. Now they are going to produce an inferior line that will have lower benchmarks than the current line that is almost 500 days old?!?!? That makes no sense whatsoever. Putting the New Mini on the same level as the MacBook Air (which the current C2D Mini crushes) is going in reverse. There is absolutely no reason why the new Mini can't be made with the current line of MacBook CPU's and GPU designs. And it very much should be. There is a HUGE gap in price point between the Mini and the Mac Pro (the only other desktop computer without a built in screen). Everything else; the iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air all have built in screens and therefore are useless to people who don't want/need them and very overpriced for those who don't want them. Currently, you only have two other options; the $600 dollar computer and the $2,800 dollar computer. Which is WAY too large a price difference. There needs to be a price/performance option somewhere in between, and the Atom... yeah, is not it.
Sounds like you KNOW what Apple is going to do?
If the rumor is true, I think Steve Jobs must be trying to prove his point. Apple may be releasing an under 500$ desktop that (most definitely) will be a piece of crap.
A lot of places are hinting at a March 10th Apple Event for both iMac and Mac Mini. I can't confirm anything, but we certainly don't have any unscheduled restocking anytime soon, just more MacBooks.
I just want dual link dvi to be FINALLY added to the mini. Please Apple! I'll take it in minidisplayport, ive even bought the $99 adapter and still waiting for the release.
The only reason for doing this would be to make it smaller and cheaper. I can't see it happening unless they also release a larger, more expensive and better equipped Mac "Midi" at the same time.
It would chug cock! Putting the Atom in the Mini guarantees it not to cannibalize the iMac sales....because nobody would buy it!!! I really hope this rumor isn't true.
Oh boy, what a f++ck is this? Mac mini with atom inside, are they crazy? What should it be? a netbook without a display? I hope this rumor is a fake.
On the other hand .... maybe its not a new Mini, but something entirely new ! ? !
Only thing I can think of would be a new Apple TV. We can only hope the new Mini is not going to use the Atom. Otherwise; it's so long Apple, hello Hackintosh.
What do you plan to do with a Mac Mini that an Ion-based Mini can't do?
An Ion Mini will out perform a current gen mini in just about everything. Now the C2D 2 Ghz is definitely faster than an A330, but the 9400 is soooo much faster than a GMA950. The difference between CPU is much smaller than the difference in GPU.
Assuming the Ion Mac Mini runs Snow Leopard, which features tons of GPU acceleration, you'll see nothing but a faster system. A 9400M accelerated video encode will happen faster than it currently does on a C2D.
It seems to me than any task that is faster on a current Mini under Leopard will be faster on an Ion Mini under Snow Leopard. Ion is amazingly fast.
If you can think of a task that is better suited for today's C2D Mini than tomorrow's Ion Mini, than you probably should be running a iMac or Mac Pro.
Having used an Ion platform first hand (admittedly running Windows XP) I can tell you that this is what you want. There's simply no way to have a faster computer, in a package thats as small (or smaller).
Hi,
I agree the Ion platform will be very fast under snow leopard running grand central. I predict it will be about 5 times faster than a current Atom using GPU acceleration, and I'm sure Mr Ives will be able to squeeze it into a tiny box!!!!! This thing could have as much grunt as an a 2 year old macbook easily. Watch this space. Although I'm still hoping for a netbook as well.
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/66558
"What do you plan to do with a Mac Mini that an Ion-based Mini can't do?"
Uh, everything? Despite what you may think, the C2D chip line (old and new) is notable faster than the Atom, which is designed for netbook type devices where power use is at a premium. Since the mac mini is plugged into the wall, there is no point in using it. And the 9400M as somehow as a make up for this lack in CPU power is ludicrous. That's like saying putting bigger tires on a car makes up for the slower engine.
"An Ion Mini will out perform a current gen mini in just about everything."
No, it won't. Keep that 'just good enough' attitude to yourself. No one should settle for an inferior product in place of a better, older one. That's insane. The current benchmarking numbers show a significant drop in performance compared to current chip line that are in the MacBooks; which should also be in the new mini as they have in all prior models. Benchmarking between Mini's and MacBooks have been almost identical, so this is a good measuring stick to what a new Mini with the same CPU and GPU would be. The Atom is pretty close in horsepower to the current MacBook Air, so those numbers are also a good representation. Here is what they both look like:
Actual Geekbench scores:
MacBook (Early 2008) Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 2.4 GHz - 3247
Mac mini (Mid 2007) (Mine) Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz - 2711
MacBook Air Intel Core 2 Duo P7700 1.8 GHz - 2122
MacBook Air Intel Core 2 Duo P7500 1.6 GHz - 2012
The Atom has a smaller cache, smaller FSB, Smaller clock spped.... and you are saying I should pay more for a new machine that scores less in performance than the old? O.o Crazy talk.
"Now the C2D 2 Ghz is definitely faster than an A330, but the 9400 is soooo much faster than a GMA950. The difference between CPU is much smaller than the difference in GPU."
Which means nothing. The new Mini would have the exact same GPU as a potential Atom chipped one, so saying the GPU makes up for the slower CPU makes no sense at all. A new Mini would use the same chip as the Current MacBooks, which is a 2.4 GHz C2D chip AND the faster 9400M. So you're saying it's ok to use an A330 instead of a 2.4 GHz C2D, because the gap between the GMA950 and the 9400M makes up for it. That too is also, insane.
"Assuming the Ion Mac Mini runs Snow Leopard, which features tons of GPU acceleration, you'll see nothing but a faster system. A 9400M accelerated video encode will happen faster than it currently does on a C2D."
Again, both the new C2D's and 9400M's would BE in the new Mini instead of the Atom, so again: this is insane. Using a slower chip is in fact just that, slower. And not just slower compared to what might be, it's slower to what came before it. *(see specs above)
"It seems to me than any task that is faster on a current Mini under Leopard will be faster on an Ion Mini under Snow Leopard. Ion is amazingly fast.
If you can think of a task that is better suited for today's C2D Mini than tomorrow's Ion Mini, than you probably should be running a iMac or Mac Pro.
Having used an Ion platform first hand (admittedly running Windows XP) I can tell you that this is what you want. There's simply no way to have a faster computer, in a package thats as small (or smaller)."
Yes, you can have a faster computer because it makes no difference how friggen big or small it is. And no, I don't want it (The Atom). Since when do people need a smaller Mini?! O.o What spawned this crazy mentality that I need to pack everything into a 6.5 in square and the next model HAS to be even smaller that that? What it needs to be is bigger. Big enough for a CD/DVD burner and 2 HD's and a full sized video card. Make it a Mini tower. You get no extra points for trying to shoehorn too much into a tiny box. That may make for great marketing in the laptop competition, but makes no sense in the desktop world where mini towers, HTPC's, media boxes and the like are all significantly larger and do just fine and don't cost $2,800 bucks. But now you're saying because I don't want to settle for a slower machine, or buy a more expensive machine with a screen I don't need or want that costs more than the old one, my only choice is to buy a computer that 's 20 times larger, 10 times louder, weighs 10 times more, costs 100 times more in electricity to run, and costs $2,200 dollars over the other?
You sir, are in fact... insane.
Hey, I drive a Toyota Corolla. BMWs are driven by c**ks! Having said that, if I was in a race against a BMW 328, I know who'd win.
You know cooks that drive BMWs???
The next issue:
Since Atom is a different micro-architecture, would all the improvements in SL (i.e. Grand Central) work on this CPU? I could see this relegated to Apple TV, since that would use a "variant" of OSX (like iPhone/iPT).
ARM based, well, yes, eventually maybe, but Apple needs to update ATV ASAP, and this might be the quickest route there. Any ARM CPU's they make will go into iPhone/iPT and/or iTablet first. Since ATV isn't as power sensitive as "mobile" stuff, it can use more "mainstream" CPU's for now. Besides, why have a 1 Watt ATV when you 42" LCD HD TV is drawing a whole lot more power?
because a 1W ATV under a power-hungry LCD is better than a 100W ATV under a power-hungry LCD.
"having your BMW 328 engine replaced with that of a Toyota Corolla."....
I wouldn't compare the Toyota engine with the "Atom" CPU, the corolla has a 1.8 VVTi engine, the same that Lotus Elise uses in its 2004 model (also found in the 2000 Celica).
I agree that Atom sucks, but I will better compare it with a Yugo engine..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise
Intel will be making new atoms as soon as the new fab is finished, and their double what the current atoms are now.
Just be patient