iPhone on Verizon deal - 'up to Apple', carrier states

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Verizon may be playing hardball with the advertising for the new Droid device, but that’s just business - not so deep down the company would still like to offer the iPhone, Verizon Communications CEO, Ivan Seidenberg, confirmed today.

Speaking up during the carrier’s Q3 financial call, he said the company would be interested in carrying the device, but that, “This is a decision that is exclusively in Apple’s court.”

He also said, “We obviously would be interested at any point in the future they thought it would make sense for them to have us as a partner. And so we will leave it with them on that score.”

Seidenberg observed that his company had to “sit back” and give them “credit” for success, stressing the network wants to offer as broad a choice of devices as it can, and that would include Apple’s iPhone.

In the background we were told last week that Apple is already testing some form of future iPhone-class device on Verizon’s 4G network. “Tests have been taking place for the last couple of months,” the report said.

 

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Won't Verizon and AT&T both be using LTE? not much of a stretch to be testing it on Verizon's since AT&T doesnt have much in 4G yet...

but but but Apple would never ever insert a CDMA chip in there! It's sooooo hard.

Right, every other manufacturer manages to make GSM and CDMA versions of the same phone but for Apple swapping a chip would just be too burdensome? Give me a break. It doesn't make any business sense not to join up with Verizon after 3 years of AT&T, not only for the increased user base but for the image of the iPhone itself which suffers in the US thanks to AT&T's subpar service.

Apple manages to make several configurations of computers but they couldn't add a CDMA chip to an iPhone or have two versions? Really?

And for those who say CDMA is a dying technology, sure you are right, but the LTE rollout by Verizon will not be done overnight, by the time it fully replaces CDMA it will be years, when 4G is not available it will have to fall back on CDMA 3G just like it falls back on EDGE when 3G is not available. It would be totally absurd for Apple to not make a CDMA version for Verizon.

Check out the Storm 2 specs.... It has both in the SAME DEVICE... Apple could certainly do this.

AT&T doesn't begin testing until 2012. Verizon is probably going to be one of the first companies to begin deployment, and expects a 100% network overlay by 2013. Many EU countries are taking a "wait and see" approach, since new, dedicated bands haven't been established to handle LTE traffic, and they're hoping for a common standard. VZW is pushing with the significant amounts of extremely high quality 700MHz spectrum it invested a few years back. LTE iPhones probably won't be a reality until 2011/2012, realistically. Bell Canada and Telus joint venture are currently overlaying WCDMA over their existing network, and will pick up the iPhone later this year. Verizon **MAY** be keeping quiet a similar strategy along side their LTE deployment which is set to begin en masse Q1 2010, but that seems equally unlikely. I think the Verizon/Apple deal won't happen until LTE is a wide standard, but the hiring of CDMA engineers may hint otherwise. Still, Apple has invested heavily in architectures it's abandoned in the past, ZFS being the most recent example. I'm quite sure there's already a CDMA capable iPhone sitting in labs somewhere, but it's chances of production are probably somewhat limited, seeming how everything seems to pointing in the opposite direction. This is, however, the most newsworthy VZW mention I've seen in a LONG time.

Why is Sprint always left out of the iPhone/CDMA speculation?

Because Sprint is a dying carrier, looking increasingly ripe for purchase. Strangely, it would make most sense for T-Mobile to gobble them up, since their issue in the US is spectrum ownership, which limits potential growth. T-Mobile may be small potatoes in the US, but they're giant in Europe.

I really don't see a problem. A LTE/CDMA phone will be required for at least 2 to 3 years until the entire network has been converted to LTE. There are chip sets which will do just that. I can't believe that Apple will ignore that much of the US just because they would have to support CDMA & LTE for one or two product cycles. It's just not good business sense.

AT&T will have the same basic problem although to a lesser extent.

The fact of the matter is that Verizon's technology is going away. Very few other carriers in the world use so-called CDMA, and very few phones are made for the technology. Furthermore, the technology has pretty stunning limitations, like "no data when on a call".

Verizon itself says that its changing to LTE in 2010. It's 2009 now. Why spend the money and resources for a small percentage of 85 million customers who will want the device for less than a year?

In terms of comparing the RIM against Apple, remember this: Almost all RIM devices are available on GSM before Verizon. Are you a Verizon customer with a BB Bold? It's a hell of a lot better than the Storm, and how many months did it take to appear in CDMA form after the GSM version was on the market? Try 18?

Ouch.

Expect fewer "CDMA" handsets, not more. "CDMA" is in its sunset.

I see your point, and thus the answer is a CDMA/LTE chipped phone. It's not out of the realm of possibilities. And LTE isn't going to be nation-wide on VZW for at least another couple of years. So yes, it actually does make sense to make a dual chipped iPhone and appeal to the 89 million subscribers VZW now has on it's network.

I don't think that CDMA vs. WCDMA/UTMS is what is keeping the 2010 version of the iPhone off of Verizon. As I stated before, one chip can provide access to both technologies. The biggest thing keeping the iPhone off of Verizon is that Verizon requires its own App store to be the one and only app store to ship with all of its phones. Apple will never allow this because it would compromise iPhone security and its ability to control the iPhone user experience. The iPhone will not be on Verizon until Verizon changes this policy.

The new Droid has Android Market on the handsets and none of the device previews mention a verizon app store. I think the argument that the the "Verizon app store" is keeping the iPhone off their network is really overblown. Fact is, the iPhone isn't on Verizon right now because it is exclusively on AT&T still. If Apple and Verizon decide that they can each reap large profits by having an iPhone on Verizon after the exclusivity, then it will happen. It's all about making money.