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Truce: iPhone 1.1.1ersMon, 10/01/2007 - 11:17 — Seth Weintraub
OK, we've been pretty hard on the 1.1.1 iPhone upgrade, the people who've happily upgraded, and Apple for having done it. For people not interested in the additional applications and who bought into a two year AT&T contract, it probably makes perfect sense. We even recommend the upgrade to a colleague that would never find any use in the additional apps - they actually didn't even use email application either. That is cool. To each their own. If you are an American who was done with their contract or willing to go to AT&T for a 2 year commitment, then the iPhone lockage doesn't really affect you and you probably don't see the situation the same as the rest of the world. For you, the decision is easy. You don't need to put it on another carrier and you don't need any additional functionality than what Apple says you need. What is all of the whining about?!?! The reason we are making such a stink is that the iPhone is such a cool phone, such an amazing piece of technology that it deserves to be set free. We are not saying that we don't accept the consequences for the actions of taking to another carrier that won't charge us $1000/month to use it overseas. Or what about the people who live outside of AT&T's coverage area? We are simply saying that Apple is making some seriously questionable moves here. Is this a sign of things to come? We know that Apple is really not pulling all of the strings. They've made some unholy alliances, however, that keep punishing their customers more and more. Is Apple really trying to smooth the experience of owning a mobile phone by choosing only AT&T? No. They chose Tmobile in Germany - why not in the US? The experience really wasn't that great getting a phone through iTunes anyway - it was nice to not have to deal witha human. The reason they chose AT&T was because they are getting a royalty on the iPhone for exclusivity. Is this deserved? That is a debate to have at some other point - it certainly wasn't just for the visual voicemail. It isn't just the telecoms with Apple recently. Apple seems to be playing more and more the role of RIAA enforcement agent than ever before. Rather than build a feature into iTunes that takes any of your music and makes a free ringtone out of it, they force their customers to pay AGAIN to shorten the music and make it a ring tone. As many people have said, this is absurd and is clearly putting the record labels interests over their customers. We aren't privy to behind the scenes negotiations. Perhaps Apple is getting bullied into these deals by the record companies and telecoms. Or maybe the bean counters are beating the consumer advocates in Cupertino. No one knows for sure. Movies and videos on iTunes have been stalled for awhile. Perhaps the digital content providers are really playing hardball with Apple. Maybe as part of that deal, Apple will scour your hard drive and look for what the movie companies consider illegal content and delete it off of your Mac when you enable the movie rental service on iTunes. Is this any worse than totally destroying an iPhone that has a legal SIM card in it from another carrier? No. We just don't want to see that day.
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open. letter. to. apple.
open. letter. to. apple. now!
developers point of view, users point of view.
current business practise. implications for the future.
itunes plus? free the music? all fake?
i'll sign such a open letter / petition
WOW. yours is about the
WOW. yours is about the only coherent comment here. The rest are by and large Apple Stockholm's Syndrome sufferers. People you make me ill. Apple is a corporation out to make money off of your stupidity. If you let them fuck you, they will. Some of you just bend over and raise your hands!
Apple has just crossed the line of bricking their phones. Would you remove that Apple ass-tat if Apple removed all of the illegal content from your Macintosh?
"Oh that would never happen!" There is no ideological difference between between what they've done and that.
it is a slippery slope.
People who bash the hackers:
People who bash the hackers: You don't know what it is like to live outside of AT&T's coverage. If you did, you would be for the hackers.
You think only the privileged should be allowed to have these devices. Such elitists. That's fine for me 1.0.2forever!
Statements that insinuate
Statements that insinuate that non-hackers are somehow a minority are misrepresenting and simply propaganda.
We are the majority (by far) and just want to keep some objectivity in all of this negative blogging that goes on.
Worth a note: At the time
Worth a note: At the time the iPhone's link with AT&T in the U.S. was announced, it was widely reported by many tech blogs that Apple first had approached Verizon, but Verizon wouldn't agree to the revenue-sharing plan Apple proposed.
Perhaps AT&T was deemed the next best U.S. partner because both its network/coverage area and number of subscribers are larger than T-mobile. And of course, it did agree to share revenue with Apple.
so you hacked your new
so you hacked your new gadget 1-2 months into it's product life and now Apple is "universally despised" for breaking those hacks 1-2 months later? This cycle is obviously going to continue as long as Apple & AT&T are in a contractual agreement and are publicly traded corporations so deal with it. If you want a customized touchscreen phone, go buy some cheap imitation product from China.
ok...we get it. Apple's way
ok...we get it. Apple's way or the highway. The people have spoken
Stop grandstanding with that
Stop grandstanding with that "Apple's way or the highway" BS. It's so adolescent.
Surely none of you losers really thought you could hack your iPhone and expect the updates to work on the thing. Surely you weren't that stupid. There was a day when hacking something implied some knowledge and ingenuity. Apple went out of its WAY to pre-warn people who had hacked their phones not to use the updater.
And yet, still you whine and whine and whine. You try and construct this menacing paper tiger conspiracy, with Apple oppressing you poor souls, so put upon. You talk like Apple just did this update to sabotage you.
What a laugh. If Apple was really wanting to do some sinister total-control "My way or the highway", then the iPhone would do something every time it got a chance to call its corporate masters and disable itself if it decided something wasn't kosher. It wouldn't be hard at all.
But the iPhone doesn't do anything of the kind. If you'd hacked your phones and then avoided the updater, the phones would still continue to behave as before.
Do you give them any credit for that? No. You don't. Please, for God's sake, give it a freakin rest. And grow up.
We had this already in 1984.
We had this already in 1984. Apple Macintosh. Great, revoultionary but completely closed architecture. You couldn't connect anything to the Mac if it didn't come from Apple. Their peripherals such as the ImageWriter were awfully expensive. There was no alternative. There was no internet, e-mail, nobody else could read Mac disks (unless all of your friends, colleagues and business partners had a Mac too).
So you HAD to buy an Imagewriter if you wanted the results of your suddenly discovered creativity to be admired by the rest of the world...
For years, Apple successfully kept implementing interfaces that made it virtually impossible to connect anything that had not been made specifically for a Mac. So you would buy that Apple RGB-monitor for the LC. And your next computer would be certainly a mac too, because the RGB-monitor and that external SCSI drive almost ruined you. Etc.
You're almost completely
You're almost completely full of shit.
Your premise is that because Apple did things that no one else would support, like a graphical user interface, it's Apple's fault, not the rest of the industry.
In 1984, no other company would make printer drivers for the mac, for instance, so Apple had to do it themselves. And there weren't very many printers out there anyhowand every single one of them was outrageously expensive, no matter what computer you hooked them up to. The ImageWriter was in great demand by everybody, as was the LaserWriter. Software written for Apple was rare as well, except for a few brave companies (including a group called Microsoft with a program called Excel). That's not Apple's fault.
The Apple monitor for the LC (MUCH later than 1984) was indeed exclusive to Apple--big deal. That was not the only monitor available for other Apple products--ViewSonic and others made plenty of monitors, so it was not exclusive.
Of course the typical response of the regular posters here is that anybody that defends Apple is a fanboy. Just about as true as saying all of you are a bunch of juveniles living in your mom's basement.
And another thing, don't say
And another thing, don't say you get it, when you so clearly don't. You TOTALLY misinterpreted what that other guy was saying. That doesn't make you look smart or perceptive or pithy. (And you're not asking for a truce; you're still acting like jerks)
The problem is, I don't
The problem is, I don't think the iPhone should be open. I don't think you should be able to hack the iPhone and cause issues with the network. Create your own iPhone. It's not your right to hack it. You shouldn't be allowed to crack open anyone else's technology. This drivel is just so annoying.
right. we get it. All
right. we get it. All hackers should go to jail
http://9to5mac.com/steve-jobs-hacks-phones-234556455
issues with the network. Hilarious
"You shouldn't be allowed
"You shouldn't be allowed to crack open anyone else's technology."
That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
why is that rediculous...
why is that rediculous... you didn't pay millions of dollars to develop it... what right do you have to crack it open and do whatever you want with it... come to think of it... well... i need a car... guess i'll go make a key so i can open my neighbors car and take it to the store... hey... im not hurting the car, so he shouldn't be mad right?
You have no right to hack anything. Get a girlfriend and stop living in the code.
You didnt BUY your neighbors
You didnt BUY your neighbors car. It is your right to do what you will with your property. And Apple does not own my iPhone, I paid 400$ to BUY it FROM them. They forfeit the right to control MY property after that. Yes, it is their software update, and I must chose to download it, as it is an option they are offering, but they also are responsible for releasing and selling a defective product (i.e. the loudspeaker issue) and should allow me to fix that one problem without bricking my iPhone. I have the right to open and mess around with a product I paid for. Your reference to using your neighbors car without his permission is pretty damn stupid, since that constitutes stealing, as in using, or abusing the property of someone else, without permission. No one stole their iPhone (at least I hope so), and no one is denying that Apple made a damn fine product. But we are arguing that it is no longer theirs. It belongs to us, and they have no right to fuck it up after I bought it, especially intentionally.
So get it through your heads, this is the issue, not that Apple is a corporate scum bag. And if you havent hacked your iPhone, and are happy with it's current functionality, good for you, you are lucky, because you can be content with less than others, and that is a blessing. But for those of us who see something great, and can only see ways of making it better, without affecting the company that manufactured it, we are doomed to be angry at being treated this way.
So think about what you are saying before you say it. Because stupid comments like that are what make it so hard for discussion to be conducted in a civil manner.
Absolutely correct, I do
Absolutely correct, I do believe that you have the right to hack the iPhone, because you own it. However, Apple has the right to update the software/firmware and they did not force anyone to update from 1.0.2 to 1.1.1. Not only that, but I think they did the best that they could to discourage it (not sure how many other companies would announce this ahead of time). Sorry, but I can't have sympathy for anyone who unlocked their phones and then went for the update when the writing was on the wall.
And you know that this was largely AT&T's doing. They made the financial deal with Apple for exclusivity, and they want the monthly charges rung up from every unit moved. While Apple gets a share of the revenue, I suspect that AT&T must be making out like bandits on this.
If I pay $400 for something-
If I pay $400 for something- I will do what I want with it. If I want to destroy it, thats my right. If I want to hack it, thats my right to. The libray of congress decided this. It is legal. "It causes issues with the network"- it does nothing to the network. I love Apple, but Jobs is really pissing me off. He and Woz built a bluebox made to hack networks (go tell them not to crack). They sold these made money to start Apple. Jobs is being a huge hypocrate.
The 1.1.1 hubbub is strange.
The 1.1.1 hubbub is strange. On so many levels.
For one thing, an iPhone is a luxury item. You have absolutely no need to own one. Is it hugely convenient and a awesome little gadget? Definitely. But your life doesn't require one.
Also, if you own an iPhone, AT&T is your carrier. You knew that going into it and you agreed to it when you first attached it to your computer and signed on to your iTunes account. Remember that user agreement? Yeah, you clicked "Agree," remember? You knew the SIM was locked in, you knew that hacking it would void your warranty. You knew that Apple would protect it's contract with AT&T and attempt to stop any SIM hacking. Don't be surprised when it actually happens.
You have the right to hack into your iPhone and do whatever you want to do with it as a consumer. When my wife's iPod when schmuck and I repaired it myself, I knew opening it up and taking it apart would void every conceivable warranty that I had for it. And that was my right. It was also my right to face the consequences of voiding that warranty. In the same way, you have the right to hack your iPhone, take it apart, paint it green, glue stuff to it and throw it to the ground to see what kind of abuse it can take before busting into pieces. But be willing to face the consequences of your decision.
Apple has made no statement (that I'm aware of) that they're actively seeking to brick iPhones that have been modified. But they *have* said that they're actively seeking to stop SIM hacking. This is not unreasonable, considering that every iPhone user agreed that AT&T would be their carrier.
And the post really wasn't much of a "truce"...
:-)
Well written
Well written
it was supposed to be a
it was supposed to be a truce with iPhone users, not Apple.
We have to wonder if Apple could do anyhting that would upset some people
FYI, the Libray of
FYI, the Libray of Congress(Legally repsonable to interprate the Digital Millieum Copyright Act), said that is a not against the law to hack a phone and providers cannot stop you from doing it.
This is just BS. And by this
This is just BS. And by this I mean the non-sense of: "Oh, the iphone is such wonderful piece of technology that it should be set free", or what about the, "Jobs was a hacker who is forgetting his roots", or "Apple is putting everything but its customers first", or another jewel "Just build the ring-tones feature in iTunes and don't charge for it".
This are the times when I think all thins blogging and informal journalism crap should be put to rest. Really. Please, use your brains. It is just ridiculous. You cannot go one extreme or the other. Look for a good balance.
Just wait till someone hacks
Just wait till someone hacks its in a way Apple cant stop...
Just like Pandora did with the PSP...
Some balance in the this
Some balance in the this blog would certainly be nice...You guys have whined about this iphone shit for long enough...I've already removed the site from my RSS feed, I was hoping you'd go back to your insider secret posts...this site has sure turned for the worse...Looks like your RSS feed count is proof of this...how many has it gone down now?
OHHHH MY! Horrable analagie.
OHHHH MY! Horrable analagie. If you stole the Frickin movie then you don't desire to have it.
There is a WHOLE lot of crying coming from 9to5mac lately.
Ya 9to5 has surfaced some good rumors lately, but come-on! What's with the belly-aching! I know, I know..... headlines....
It's not like anyone who "hacked" there iPhone did any "real hacking." You got a free app which took 2 secs to download, you double clicked a few buttons and viola, you had a "hacked" iPhone. There are probably a handful of people who actually know how to hack the iPhone and actually did. The rest are FREELOADERS! Then you cry when its bricked.
You had to have some adrenaline running when you downloaded the app to unlock your phone; and took a moment to consider the consequences. Should I do something to a $5-600 phone that works perfectly?..... If it doesn't work, can I reverse it easily?.......
If you did not have these questions run through your head, GET IT CHECKED!
Out of curiosity I looked at how people where "hacking" there iPhones. On every website, There was BOLD TEXT with a warring that said "This could not work right and its still under development, No guarantees.
That should of been a heads up to all you!
Good quote from Jurassic Park, "They were so busy wondering if they could, they didn't stop to consider whether or not they should."
If you really want a device that you can do anything on.... BUILD IT YOURSELF! I don't get how some people feel like Apple owes them something. You paid for a device and got your moneys worth.
Somehow you decided to "hack" it, and now its Apples fault for your faulty judgement???? I don't get it.......
I can go on, but its better if I don't.... Keep doing what your doing Apple! I Love it! I patiently wait for the next exiting thing you come out with!
-j
I want my iPhone to move
I want my iPhone to move forward as fast as possible... from Apple, not hackers.
If Apple has to make sure none of their own developments messes up the hackers stuff, it will slow down their official efforts.
This would suck.
So if you want to hack, go ahead. But don't expect Apple to cover your butt.
Exactly! I agree Fastdev!
Exactly! I agree Fastdev!
Someone hack the apple
Someone hack the apple website and post an open letter to steve on the frontpage.
Good Idea!!!
Good Idea!!!
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