EDIT: I know some of you are mad that we linked directly to the torrent site. The reason we did this is to show people what we are talking about (that it does exist). People who are going to steal are going to know how to find a torrent. Those who don't steal aren't going to be swayed by our link. Move along.
Well, that didn't take very long. It looks like those Internet "Evil Doers" have posted Apple's new lifestyle set of apps on the Internet for all to see. It is really just unfortunate for Apple, who does not include any sort of serial number or tracking on their consumer applications, to miss out on revenue. I guess at a very reasonable $79.99 price point, they expect most customers to do the right thing and pay to play. If pirating eats too much into Apple's bottom line, they will be forced to implement some sort of complicated hassleware to keep their innovations from being picked up from illegitimate sources. That would be bad.
On the flip side, I guess it is good to have this sort of thing for people who have defective or lost installer DVDs.
If you are too lazy/scared/morally-not-bankrupt to steal iWork, just head over to Apple's iWork '08 trial download page.
People, don't steal - buy it cheap!
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Why tell?
Why announce it to the world? Now ppl know and will look for it instead of just running out to the local Apple store and buying it. Negative media never brought anything good.
To Torrent or Not To Torrent, That Is the Question...
Really, I would never buy the software unless I TRULY needed it. I just use it to play around with and would just use the software that came with the computer. I do buy what I need, WHEN I need. Other than that, I'm just an average user who downlads and likes to play around with software on his downtime. I would not however go out and spend the money that others do for it. I leave it to those with more disposable income than I do.
I could understand if
I could understand if someone bought a single user package and installed it on a few machines but if hassle wear gets added to the ilife/iwork packages it will force some of the faux single users to buy the family pack. While a user should by the family pack if installing it on multiple machines, lots of people just buy the 1 user package.
I bought iWork 08 when I
I bought iWork 08 when I purchased a new MacBook Pro about 2 weeks ago. I called the Apple Store today to upgrade to a family license because I liked the product so much that I wanted to put it on my iMac G5 as well, for those times when I don't need my laptop. I was told that I cannot upgrade the license, and must purchase a full family pack (for $99) to do this. That's insane. It's still just for my use. I have never and will never pirate software. But I think I ought to be able to use the software on all of my personal computers, especially since I was willing to pay the difference from the $71 initial purchase price (education discount).
Nothing Better To Do
Thanks to all those who undermine the hardwork of software engineers, musicians and film makers who have spent their time and, in many cases, their own money to create a living for themselves.
I find it inexcusable that anyone would purposefully upload anything copyrighted for the reason "oh companies are money grubbing and huge - this won't affect them". Well it affects someone, and in the end that someone will likely be you. For it is people like you who force companies to use DRM in the first place.
And please, to those claiming innocence - don't share folders you DON'T WANT TO SHARE. Or, don't use shite P2P programs in the first place (there's an idea!).
It only takes a small handful to ruin the party for everyone else. Thanks.
No problem at all, And i'll
No problem at all, And i'll contine to steal, that's why i have leopard and you don't!!! ha ha ha
I have been an Apple, Inc
I have been an Apple, Inc customer forever and I have never even thought to steal an application/product if I wanted it. It is something I just figured those who use Wintel machines do to each other. Of course they also get to enjoy the hassle of product verification numbers thier dishonesty has brought to them.
I just assumed Wintel patrons are too ignorant to recognize the beauty of the Apple product and therefore too stupid to understand the consequences.
Now that Apple has made thier products Wintel friendly, I am not surprised to see the same ignorant fools performing thier deceit on Apple computers.
I don't think it's fair for
I don't think it's fair for apple to put together a high-end device that isn't high end at all, charge 40% to 60% more for the same generic parts as everyone else, and expect people to pay for their sub-par software.
have you seen the games list yet? how many are universal binary? how many are old as hell?
beauty? go back to ikea you fuckbag.
DRM will filter out soon
Ok well for those poor souls in the US who live under the big brother DRM problem... It will soon be a thing of the past.
Dit you really think that a small little hickup like DRM will stop the Pirates...!
There is one answer to piracy...its simple.... The big boys should stop wanting to make billions on an artist...make the originals cheaper... Make less ..drop your prices... and the public will support you.
In South Africa we are paying around $30 - $20 a CD.... We are being ripped off... Thats why people are copying disks... using P2p.
If I buy a CD... Its mine.. I paid for it. If I want to copy it to my pod its my problem.. I will not copy it and send it to someone else... But its mine...
I say down with DRM.. the water marks that the big studios left on their studio previews are already sorted. So DRM will fall soon. Here is something to ponder on..\
Isnt it Ironic that the industry that laughed at MP3 8 years ago and did not want to support it or see it as a threat...are now crying foul. We live life in a digital age... You either adapt or die
Well,
The reason p2p programs are good, is because if someone wants to test a program, and the free trial is pure shit (aka, cant save, can only use small file sizes, etc), then he can download the full version of the program. If he feels that he is not ripped off, and the product is worth the money, he will go out and buy the program. Thats what I do with both music, games and apps. Besides, iLife makes the programs actually decent and not total shit, so it should count as a free update.
~proud p2p seeder
Well,
The reason p2p programs are good, is because if someone wants to test a program, and the free trial is pure shit (aka, cant save, can only use small file sizes, etc), then he can download the full version of the program. If he feels that he is not ripped off, and the product is worth the money, he will go out and buy the program. Thats what I do with both music, games and apps. Besides, iLife makes the programs actually decent and not total shit, so it should count as a free update.
~proud p2p seeder
um...
It's a stated fact within Apple that the purpose of the iLife and iWork suites is to sell Macs. Fact of the matter is, that's basically the purpose of ALL Apple Software. iLife/iWork's contribution to Apple's bottom line is negligible. Apple's primary revenue stream is - all togeher now - HARDWARE. They needed to release iLife/Work now, since the new iMacs are this quarter's revenue generator and a new iLife suite is an added incentive to upgrade to a new iMac since Leopard isn't shipping yet. By releasing these products now, Apple forces new iMac buyers to shell out another $129 clams next quarter, which is $50 more than if Leopard shipped with the iMac and the iLife upgrade came later. Simple really. No further questions.
Must be really hard for you
Must be really hard for you this life. I mean - imagine being FORCED to buy an OS upgrade. Is it really that hard on you, wanting all the new gear and all?
Total software sales accounts for quite a bit of the margin Apple is earning. If you look at it as a lossleader product. Plain giving it away would force Apple to increase prices on all hardware instead - making it less of a choice for decent people, and more expensive in the first place. Think about that for a little while before you post another brilliant one of those analysis of yours.
dumb shit
I am a proud p2p downloader, and i am glad there are people like you, who actually pay for the product, because then the company continues to make more serial-free products and thats easy to pirate for me =)
This doesn't mean that life is hard - it just means stealing is easy, and I feel just like Robin Hood doing it. I download from the rich, and seed to the poor!
Thank you for buying.
mac ilife
seems absurd that someone would steal mainstay programs via p2p. apple charges on $80 for an amazing suite. but apple could easily stop this with serial numbers and online regstration. maybe it's time to do so.
as far as music and film, i think the reality is that these will continually be pirated online. we may think we are going to be some kind of information society, but maybe we should hold on to one or two of our factories (being exported to china en masse) just in case people decide not to respect intellectual property.
and forgive my rant, but some intellectual property won't ever be respected. it's like the concept native americans has (or didn't) about the idea of land ownership... it cost them a great deal of problems, but now the same is happening to our high-tech nation -- technology transfer and theft of tech and intellectual property is rampant globally and there seems little chance of it being stopped!
forgive my rant and extrapolation. and please BUY apple products -- the good stuff anyway.
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giving the torrent link, you are helping to those how steal software... think about it
Sad really
Stealing music that stores didn't carry (out of print, oldies, etc) or that you already owned on cassette can be justified.
Buying grey market software (OEM versions) from M$ can be rationalized.
But stealing iLife is sad. I have always said that software developers were greedy bastards for forcing me to buy multiple copies of a program for my personal computers (desktop and laptop). I always said I would be willing to pay a bit more for a "home site license."
Apple offers iLife for a reasonable price and will let you use it on up to 5 home computers for $20 more. Sounds like a compay is actually listening to it's customer base and selling software at a fair and reasonable price / terms of use.
Sad to see they are getting rewarded by having their customers steal their software.
FYI - I bought the family pack of iLife the day after it was announced, knowing that I could have "saved" $20 and still used it on my home computers no problem. I just like to be fair to a company that I think it being fair to me.
1. Posting a link to a
1. Posting a link to a torrent will not encourage individuals to pirate the software. Those that intended on pirating software would be able to find it on their own.
2. Serial numbers and online activation only make it more difficult for paying customers to use the software. Both do not affect pirates since both can easily be forged/cracked. Thus, there is no point in using serials and online activation since it only burdens paying users. Apple is quite intelligent by not using serial numbers; unlike Adobe who requires both serial and activation (a major hassle).
Serial number
There is a serial number in iWork, required for registration. I suppose Apple could download the posted software and then disable its serial number. Any updates then should check for registration before being applied. As for people who uploaded their copies for all to copy, I suppose they will have to buy a second copy.
Sad
Right now there are more than 12,000 people seeding or leeching the torrent file that was linked to...
Singlehandedly the person who had uploaded the iLife suite cost Apple more than $960 thousand.
That's $960,000 that should have gone to the company whose brilliant and hardworking developers and design team created the best consumer multimedia suite in the world.
It just makes me sad.
I support apple
Hey guys I support Apple.
I just wish they will support us. In the USA you guys are so lucky to have backup and support. Most stores here in SA dont care about us MAc users. You ask for MAc stuff and they say there is no request for it... They wont stock it.. Its really difficult for us.
I will give you an example
a few weeks a go my Mac Pro note book got stolen.
With the install disks, my backups EVERYTHING.
A few days later it gets recovered... All in tact but with a corrupt boot disk I cannot .Problem is the install discs are goneSo I call Apple... Guess what..
they cannot help me ..
But they can sell me a new copy of MAc OS 10.4 for R 2000 thats just under $200... I have spent thousands on new software. I do support them.. Even if I had to order a new copy it would take 14 days to arrive. So I downloaded 10.4 from a torrent site instead.
I do not support Piracy... BUT... At times it appears thats its the only way out as no one listens to us
Sad, Stop the insane crying
Sad,
Stop the insane crying about a product.You are the person that help these hackers splice into a good product.Let it Be!!
If Apple would offer their software for free,people would start saying things like "oh,man,I had been planning on buying this new software,now I don't know what to do with my money".
It is no different then back in the ol' Apple vs MS war for coyrighted "cut and paste" deals.
I for one will boycott anyone who offers to sale me anything that has been bootlegged.
re: Sad
YOu can't assume that all those people would actually have paid for this.
Apple is a hardware company. If people are using these programs, they already paid good money to Apple. At this infacy stage in iWork, Apple should be GIVING IT AWAY to lure people away from Office.
Well you can make the
Well you can make the argument that just because you think you're entitled to it doesn't mean that it's the right thing.
That's the exact mentality of a thief or a cheater. They console themselves and remove themselves from guilt by saying, "well, I deserve this" or "I already paid for the entrance fee to the theme park, might as well take some cotton candy because the real profits come from the entrance fee anyway"
Get the point?
And even if these torrent-downloading pricks didn't necessarily go out and buy the iLife suite, the mere fact that they completed their download and saw that they could so easily and guiltlessly get away with theft tells me that when Leopard comes around, guess who'll be sucking on that torrent file again?
It's just a continuous cycle that will only properly be put to an end by one's own moral consciousness, not rationalizations or justifications of guilt...
unfortunately
the company does very little to care for it's consumers. if you have a problem, they will tell you "im sorry, but i can't help you because you need to buy this additional product." They eventually create situations where they suck money out of every pore their consumer has, and then it turns out that the very program they bought was disappointing. Can the consumer get a refund? nope. though most people who p2p decide that if they truly think the program they downloaded is their moneys-worth, then they will buy it to support the company. doesn't it make sense for someone to support a company so it can make more products? same goes for the 2grand programs which only professionals can afford, and someone who uses it for fun and makes no profit off of it cannot afford. those people shouldn't have to pay 900+ for a program they will only use for fun like photoshop. my justification is that if the product is truly fair in both price and quality, then I will buy it. until im convinced that every product falls under that criteria, i will continue to download first, and then purchase the program.
unfortunately
the company does very little to care for it's consumers. if you have a problem, they will tell you "im sorry, but i can't help you because you need to buy this additional product." They eventually create situations where they suck money out of every pore their consumer has, and then it turns out that the very program they bought was disappointing. Can the consumer get a refund? nope. though most people who p2p decide that if they truly think the program they downloaded is their moneys-worth, then they will buy it to support the company. doesn't it make sense for someone to support a company so it can make more products? same goes for the 2grand programs which only professionals can afford, and someone who uses it for fun and makes no profit off of it cannot afford. those people shouldn't have to pay 900+ for a program they will only use for fun like photoshop. my justification is that if the product is truly fair in both price and quality, then I will buy it. until im convinced that every product falls under that criteria, i will continue to download first, and then purchase the program.
re: re: Sad
Well you can make the argument that just because you think you're entitled to it doesn't mean that it's the right thing.
That's the exact mentality of a thief or a cheater. They console themselves and remove themselves from guilt by saying, "well, I deserve this" or "I already paid for the entrance fee to the theme park, might as well take some cotton candy because the real profits come from the entrance fee anyway"
Get the point?
And even if these torrent-downloading pricks didn't necessarily go out and buy the iLife suite, the mere fact that they completed their download and saw that they could so easily and guiltlessly get away with theft tells me that when Leopard comes around, guess who'll be sucking on that torrent file again?
It's just a continuous cycle that will only properly be put to an end by one's own moral consciousness, not rationalizations or justifications of guilt...
no reason to implement hasselware
Apple doesn't implement "hasselware" because if you look at the places where that has been tried, it is a totally useless measure. The pirates will always find a way to crack it and steal anyway and it just pisses off the legit users by forcing them to jump through more hoops to use the product they bought.
could't agree more
but then why does apple put it on its prof stuff?
maybe...
Prosoftware is not made to sell machines, its made to be indusrty leading damn expensive, I'm the fucking daddy software. When they charge thatmuch for it, u know they are going to have some form of security on it.
And it is usually installed and maintained by IT professionals who are paid a lot of money to make sure everything works correctly, so jumping through a few hoops is no worry for them.