Battling iPhone's GSM Buzz 3: Behringer MS40 Digital

Tue, 02/05/2008 - 8:26pm — Jonathan Curtin
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Edit: This is the third in a series of four articles on Battling iPhone's GSM Buzz. A solution to this issue is described in the fourth installment.

Here is what I hope will be the final installment of my Battling iPhone's GSM Buzz series. It has become somewhat of an abiding obsession to outfit my G5 workstation with speakers that don't go rat-a-tat-tat every time my iPhone wants to talk to a cell tower. You readers have been very helpful with your suggestions, and I hope you've gotten some use out of my commentary (even if it's only Schadenfreude or commiseration).

Martin started me off on a new angle, and I commenced a search for a pair of computer speakers that could make use of my G5's optical audio out. I found them for a slight premium over my original budget of $100 in the Behringer MS40 Digital Monitor Speakers. American Musical Supply have them for $129 through Amazon. I also picked up an inexpensive digital optical cable from them, since they had free shipping on orders of $50 or more.

I have to say I was impressed with the service of AMS. I contacted Behringer directly about GSM buzz, and received no response. I repurposed my email to AMS and heard a reply within a day. They even responded to a follow-up. Here's how it went:

Me:  

I was wondering if the digital coaxial and/or digital optical
interface of the Behringer MS20 and MS40 multimedia speakers does anything to alleviate interference from GSM  mobile phones (GSM Buzz). I currently have a Mac tower and a docked iPhone in my studio, and the phone has caused significant interference with all analog speakers I've tried. See discussions here and here.

I did see the below instructions from the manufacturer, and wondered if a GSM mobile phone counted as a high-frequency source. I also have 802.11 wifi at home, and wonder if that would interfere.

IMPORTANT NOTES CONCERNING INSTALLATION: The sound quality may diminish within the range of powerful broadcasting stations and high-frequency sources...

AMS:

Optical connections use light channeled through a fiberoptic cable and radio/cell phone transmissions should not affect it.  If you are experiencing gsm buzz you may want to check your cables and make sure they have sufficient shielding/insulation.  You may want to make sure the electrical outlets have proper grounding as well.

Well, this was the first I'd heard of checking the electrical outlets for proper grounding. As for the shielded cables, I could see this was leading to a recommendation that I drop another C-note on Monster-branded cables, and all I see on audiophile sites is hate for their price/quality quotient.

As for the Behringer MS40 digital monitors, I was willing to give optical a try. Especially if the risk was only $29.99 over my initial $100 budget (list, for what it's worth, is $196.49). Sure, the MS20s (20 watt vs. 40 watt) were also on sale for $87.95, but I'm a sucker for the extra power. So I punched the purchase button on a Friday, and got the box the next Monday.

Speaking of which, I've been very impressed by how quickly Amazon (and now AMS) has delivered my packages to NYC (every time for free), and also how quickly my returns and refunds have been completed. Both the Klipsch and the M-Audio have been returned and refunded as I write this. Shipping and returning have all beat their time estimates by several days. It might be because I'm in a huge city, or it might be a case of underpromising and overdelivering. Either way, the lesson is that Super Saver shipping is quite sufficient, and all those inducements to pay extra for expedited shipping is usually a waste.

Okay, so this time the box was huge. My mailroom at work wrapped it with string so I could carry it to the train. I'm a big guy, and this tested my upper body strength. I switched carrying arms about a dozen times in the four blocks I had to walk. When I got home, I unpacked two substantial wooden cabinets, 11 inches tall, 9.625 inches deep, and almost 7 inches wide. That's some serious desk real estate—I won't deny it.

One thing I want to immediately point out about connecting optical cables to your mac is that the volume controls on the keyboard do not work unless you mute the sound entirely. The volume has to either be controlled through your apps or through the knob on the right speaker.  Maybe there's some plugin I'm missing and one of you can set me straight.

I tested the speakers on a variety of music, and they're awesome. All the detail I discovered in the M-Audio Studio Pro 3s was there and more. The high- and mid-frequency sounds are very much in the foreground, and while the bass is strong, it appears to reside more in the background. This is not to say there is a lack of bass here for a 2.0 system—quite to the contrary, it has the most of any I've tested—but I don't want to get the inevitable hate mail about how subwoofers are the only way to get proper bass.

There is so much detail in the sound that I actually found myself nitpicking flaws in the music. On live classical tracks, you can hear the odd cough in the hall. On hip-hop tracks, you can hear where some samples don't quite connect. I suppose that is because these are proper studio monitors, not consumer-grade "speakers" which may smooth-over some detail in service of a more balanced "mix."

You have to be careful with the volume on the MS40s. I never got any distortion, but they definitely "go to 11." The sound is so enveloping that you could actually endanger your hearing. I had some mild ringing in my ears after testing through my library for an hour or so. I don't want chronic tinnitus, so I'll be keeping the volume at a reasonable level from now on.

I heard no GSM buzz at all from the right speaker, which is the one that has the optical input. The left, however, didn't take long. Here's my next note to AMS: 

Me:

I've installed the MS 40 speakers, and the right speaker has no buzz. The RCA cable connecting the speaker appears to be cheaply made, and I am getting a little buzz on the left side. Can you recommend a good shielded RCA cable in the 3' range? What should I look for in a shielded RCA cable?

AMS:

I would suggest the following...
http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-MON-I1001M.html

Argh. The dreaded Monster cable recco. I went over to Radioshack, because I didn't want to pay shipping, and I picked up a shielded RCA cable. I demurred on the Monster for $30, and got a house brand "Gold Series" stereo audio cable for about $17. And it was a waste of time and money. No change in the buzz on the left. I may try the Monster, but I really don't hold out any hope. If it really could make a difference, I'm sure one of you will weigh in.

Maybe there's something to AMS's "Properly-Grounded Outlet" hypothesis. I've got a couple of upcoming projects around the house for the local electrician, and I'll make sure he takes a look. In the meantime, that first attribute of the MS40s that I told you about—the weight—is what will keep them on my desk. They're too heavy to return. The buzz is certainly a lot less than the Klipsch or Logitech speakers, and maybe a new wall outlet will make everything all right in the end. Plus, my arms are tired.

Comments

There isn't any way to

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There isn't any way to adjust the volume through OS X. While it's technically feasible to lower the volume via software (iTunes style) there isn't any way to adjust the volume physically alla a line out.

Don't waste your money on the monster cables, they don't shield against GSM buzz. I ended up giving up and buying a Bose system with small speakers so I could fit them on my desk's hutch. Sticking them up there seems to have them far enough away from my iMac to keep interference at a minimal though, I admit, I'm not terribly thrilled with the sound quality.

Interesting comment about

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Interesting comment about the grounding. I'm in the UK and I've rarely heard GSM buzz through speakers. Here though all of our mains cables are grounded.

by now most phones in the uk

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by now most phones in the uk are 3g. it doesn't buzz

go yourself some Bose! They

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go yourself some Bose! They make no noise like this at all (but are expensive).

I agree the new Bose

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I agree the new Bose computer speakers are nice . . . and expensive. I had an older pair of their Companion speakers but got the same buzzing. I upgraded to the new magnetically shielded desktop speakers and the buzz is gone.

As is my money.

However these do sound great and I recommend them highly.

Which model did you upgrade

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Which model did you upgrade to exactly?

Bose MediaMate Computer

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behringer are cheap china

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behringer are cheap china speakers, don't confuse em with the real studio monitor (genelec, PMC, Yamaha, Tannoy, etc...)
Try the Genelec 8020, the smallest and cheaper !!

Did you read my article? I

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Did you read my article? I was looking in the $100 range. Cheap China is fine. Lowest I could find the genelec for was $399 for one (not two) speakers. It also looks like I'd need a separate amp. That's not my market.

I hate kneejerk China xenophobia. Seems to be rampant among guitar geeks too. And doesn't the hallowed Apple source from China? Anyway, thanks so much for adding to the discussion...

For sure! I never had a

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For sure! I never had a problem with Genelec. But they are expansive (But you never want something els for the rest of your live). And a much better reverence as the speakers u use and certainly better than Bose. If you have the money the 8240a's are great. If you do not have that money Look for 2nd hand or so.

I'm a TV director and spend

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I'm a TV director and spend all day in different TV studios which are all set up with hi-tech audio monitoring gizmos.

we're always battling GSM buzz (this is the UK, so the grounding thing may be a red-herring; everything is grounded here).

in truth, the only sure-fire way to fix it is distance.

if i leave my phone on the control desk - buzz buzz buzz (and i've noticed this is worse since I got my iPhone compared to my old Nokias or SonyEricssons).

but just moving the phone a couple of inches can make all the difference.

you don't need it to be very far away from your speakers (and I guess the cable that runs between them), maybe a foot or two can fix this.

now you have the choice monitors, you need to spend a few bucks on some wall brackets (or build a low bridge or shelf for the back of your desk - or at least stop docking your phone right next to the speaker like in the picture!).

you'll get better sound balance as well.

i know this wasn't really the point of your blog, after all you wanted to know how to fix it, not how to avoid it, but I have a feeling there is no way around it as long as there is a signal passing along a conductive cable somewhere along the line.

good luck!

Thanks for your thoughtful

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Thanks for your thoughtful perspective. It's nice to hear that even the folks with the pro stuff share in this difficulty. All the more reason to hope for an iPhone with 3G soon. FWIW, the phone is actually not docked as close as it is in the picture all the time—I just needed to fit everything into the pic, so I moved the phone over.

Thanx for the quote, I'm

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Thanx for the quote, I'm glad my comment was of use, although as it seems, it didn't resolve you issue completely, which is quite strange. As mentioned in previous posts, the cable going from one to the other speaker is usually high power and therefore should be less affected by GSM signals. Using a shielded cable might help, but I guess the problem is the connector. I therefore would suggest to move the phone around a bit and see, whether the Buzz gets louder near the plugs or the cable.

As for the volume: sorry for mentioned that but the output really isn't adjustable, which is indeed quite annoying.

Electrical outlet: Go to

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Electrical outlet:

Go to Home Depot and get a circuit checker. I think they are less than $10. Plug-in the outlet and the little lights tell you if you are grounded or not.

It won't help. My iPhone buzzes with everything. The worst is in my car hooked into my Alpine stereo. When I plug it in, a little warning pops up on the iPhone saying "This device is not compatible with iPhone. Do you want to turn the phone off?" So, maybe there are devices that are compatible. But Apple is letting me know:  turn the phone off! Which I don't.

the Genelec have a built in

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the Genelec have a built in amp,
You wrote:
I suppose that is because these are proper studio monitors, not consumer-grade "speakers" which may smooth-over some detail in service of a more balanced "mix."

The Behringer ARE consumer grade!
Quality costs!!
I'm not a China xenophobous (I don't know the spelling).
I have a lot of chinese manufactured stuff, but I repeat, if you need quality, pay it! Please don't confuse pro stuff with consumer. It's impossible to completely resolve problems paying only a few dollars, you payed an iPhone many more dollars than 100! Why did you buy it ?? You can have a good phone for less than 100 bucks,
Your article shouldn't be "Battling iPhone's GSM Buzz 3: Behringer MS40 Digital" but "I'm rich only when a new apple device goes out: for the rest I'm a windows user!"

Read the TV director's

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Read the TV director's comment above. I'm sure his gear is "pro" level, and he gets GSM buzz all the time. So I really don't see how spending 7-10 times what I spent is going to help. I'm more and more convinced that this problem is the failure of the iPhone and GSM phones in general for using a frequency that causes interference.

are you having a bad day??

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are you having a bad day??

You may want to go lurk some

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You may want to go lurk some Amateur Radio operator websites - these guys know how to isolate RF noise from audio equipment and have more tricks up their sleeves than a back lot watch dealer.

http://www.eham.net/

My guess (and yes, I am way too lazy to actually do this myself) is that you could make a pair of faraday cages - one for each speaker, set the speakers in 'em and the problem would be solved. Doesn't do much for the wife/girlfriend acceptance factor of your desk decorations, but it would be effective. I would think that any mesh that the speakers were set in would be acoustically transparent as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

I work in a recording

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I work in a recording studio, and I usually keep my phone (nokia) on the mixer. Somethimes more than one (other than nokia). Never Had buzz problems (of course I use Genelec speakers) the main problems are not the cables. but the woofer ( in the speakers) and the amp. You have to know that the pro speakers like genelec has two amplifiers ( one for each speaker) that's why the behringer cunsumer speakers can't reject noises, the left speaker have no amplifier inside so it's not shielded so catches every noise around your room. Try speakers that have an amplifier on every speaker ( both shielded). if you like chinese cheap plastic sound no pro speakers try the behringer truth ... BUT DON'T SAY THAT SOUNDS AMAZING !!!!

I work in a recording

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I work in a recording studio, and I usually keep my phone (nokia) on the mixer. Somethimes more than one (other than nokia). Never Had buzz problems (of course I use Genelec speakers) the main problems are not the cables. but the woofer ( in the speakers) and the amp. You have to know that the pro speakers like genelec has two amplifiers ( one for each speaker) that's why the behringer cunsumer speakers can't reject noises, the left speaker have no amplifier inside so it's not shielded so catches every noise around your room. Try speakers that have an amplifier on every speaker ( both shielded). if you like chinese cheap plastic sound no pro speakers try the behringer truth ... BUT DON'T SAY THAT SOUNDS AMAZING !!!!

a thought on phone

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a thought on phone position..

i haven't been reading this whole series, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned something along these lines, but...

any time i have noticed gsm buzz at work, i have found that keeping the phone in the same place but rotating it by 90 degrees can often greatly reduce the amount of buzz in my speakers..

it may turn out that your solution may have to be a combination of not only what speaker hardware you use, but also where you place the speakers and the phone..

I've noticed that too, but

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I've noticed that too, but GSM buzz is insidious, and pretty soon the phone figures out how to buzz my speakers from the adjusted angle. Then I end up spending half an hour a day moving my phone around the desk like a chess piece.

Not to poo-poo the placement thing. Even my colleagues at 9to5mac say "why not just move the phone to another room." But see, that's not the point. I think sh*t oughta work. Maybe we can get Mossberg on the case...

In this case, the electrical

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In this case, the electrical ground on your A/C receptacle will not have any effect, as these speakers do not have a proper ground anyway.  Proper grounding at the breaker panel may, however, because the ground and neutral become common at that point.  (assuming it's a main panel, and not a sub panel).  I'm really surprised that you're getting interference in the left speaker, as the interconnect happens @ amplified speaker level, and not line level. 

Anyway, have you tried using a "ferrite choke" on any of the lines?  They filter RF interference without impacting audio frequencies.  I found a generic one on Radioshack's website, although there are others that would be higher quality out there.  You can see it here:  http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103222  It should be installed as close to the end of the cable as is possible.

This also might have alleviated the issue with the previous setups if used on the line level cable between the Mac and the speakers, although that part is no longer an issue on count of using the optical out.

Ya, I tried that exact one

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Ya, I tried that exact one on an earlier setup to no avail. I also tried the other ferrite cores they had in mutiple configurations, and it made no difference. I just think I should be able to use a 2.0 speaker system without bringing an electrical engineer into my house. I had no idea it would be such a saga.

I've had problems similar to

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I've had problems similar to this before, and one of two things has always fixed them to date:

1. Use a ground remover plug (a little under a dollar at Home Depot) to strip the common ground from your speakers and from any power transformers like laptop adapters that are on the same breaker. Be aware that sometimes a breaker covers more than one room. If that fixes it, make sure to attach each of them to a different ground with a wire.

2. Make a shield-drained cable. You might try just making a cable first, and seeing how it works. www.markertek.com will sell you bulk cable and connectors for cheap. I use Mogami's Neglex Quad, but Canare StarQuad is cheaper and probably sufficient for your purpose. Canare RCA connectors are good. Remember that you'll need two - one for each end. For normal cable-making, you attach the shield to the connector. In making a shield-drained cable, you have to split the jacket a bit further back and bring the shield out through the split. Connect grounding wires to each end.

 

Hope this helps!

Bla bla bla bla bla

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Bla bla bla bla bla bla
Changing cables and connectors doesn't change anything !!!!!

Unplug the input cable from

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Unplug the input cable from the speaker. The phone should still affect it, meaning you don't need to upgrade cables. My $4000 studio monitors also have this problem.

Grounding your system will

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Grounding your system will have no effect on GSM buzz. The GSM Buzz comes from the energy going between your GSM phone and GSM tower being picked up by the wires(antennas) in your audio system. My GSM phone lives on the other side of my studio whenever I'm recording to avoid this problem.

Why not headphones????? try

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Why not headphones?????
try speakers with amplifier on both cabinets !!!

Your best bet is to focus on

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Your best bet is to focus on the radio in the phone. I suggest that you will not be able to beat the "calling home" from the GSM radio in the iPhone. You're much better off to find/develop a hack that keeps the phone from calling home except manually. In this way, you'll minimize or eliminate unexpected GSM noise and save some battery life too. I've found the radio in my iphone powerful enough to create GSM noise in TV studios, recording studios and just about anywhere there are audio [analog] cables.

Best,

G