Today, Adobe is demonstrating a version of Flash running on the HTC Hero, the recently released Android device on Tmobile. The demo seems to work fairly well which may be an important benchmark to Apple's iPhone and iPod touch owners.
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As far as capability to run Flash (as opposed to desire), it would appear that the iPhone 3GS has more than the necessary hardware to do so. The HTC Hero uses an 528MHz ARM 11 based Qualcomm MSM7200A. This is roughly the same level of processor as the 2nd generation iPod Touch. As we know, the iPhone 3GS blows the iPod Touch out of the water in terms of performance. The iPhone 3GS uses the latest ARM Cortex A8 Processor running at 600MHz with a PowerVR graphics core that is also superior to other chipsets.
At a shareholder meeting last year, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said that the iPhone doesn't support Flash because it runs too slowly on the device to be useful.
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Oh man, I can already hear
Oh man, I can already hear the Fanboys winding up to say "I don't want Flash on the iPhone!! It will slow it down and make me look at ads!" Just like they said they didn't want video on the iPhone.
Seriously fanboys. Look up Stockholm syndrome! You have it!
When Adobe can make flash run
When Adobe can make flash run on OS X that isn't a CPU-wasting, RAM-hogging, piece of garbage, then I'll consider wanting it - but not until then.
Funny how you resort to calling people "fanboys". If you can't make your point without insulting people, then do you have an actual argument? Why not support your point with logical arguments instead?
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you did read the article, right? let me break it down for you: slower phone, works fine... the point being, you've been lied to. you should be used to that by now.
No, let me break it down for
No, let me break it down for you. Adobe either can't or won't write flash on OS X (which runs on Mac desktops and the iPhone) that isn't CPU-hogging or memory wasting.
I couldn't care less how well it runs on Android - I have no desire to use an Android device.
What's so hard about that to understand?
I like Apples fight against FLASH
There are no technical reasons for why the iPhone cannot run Flash but flash is/was an awful thing for the internet. Slow, incompatible, buggy and pwer hungry. Also a closed standard.
It seems that JAVA and HTML5 can do most if not all of what Flash can do so I see no reason to keep at it.
Adobe used to be cool when they came out with PDF way back when but they have since proven over and over again that they cannot deliver a quality product. All SW I have used from them are unstable and seem inefficient.
I hope Apple succeeds in it's mission.
^ This post. Apple has never
^ This post. Apple has never been able to publicly say that because of the way people act like children (including the lawyers at Adobe).
Flash is dead and unnecessary.
The only positive about Flash is its ability to hide info from the Google spider. Beyond that, its garbage.
ha
if you don't like closed standards, i guess you'll be selling your iphone?
Funny, I was thinking about
Funny, I was thinking about this just the other day:) http://idaytoday.blogspot.com/2009/06/iphone-3g-s-and-adobe-flash.html
The real reason should be the
The real reason should be the power consumption of Flash.
I don't miss Flash on my iPhone and a very big percentage of webpages I visit regularly on my computer use Flash for advertising only.
Ok, let's talk about battery
Ok, let's talk about battery life.
Adobe at first should fix
Adobe at first should fix their Flash player for mac. It is so slow in comparison with windows version. After Adobe shows that they are interested in optimizing their code, then Apple should allow them make it also for the iPhone.
Ok Flash would be nice for
Ok Flash would be nice for some pages, but i don't want my iphone to crash all the times! I think in the last years my browser or computer only crashed when i had a flash page (most of the time 2-5 pages) open....it would be cool to have flash but only a stable version. and yes k. i also think that they should first build a good flash for the mac os x. i think it's probably the worst programmed application i have on my mac....
Seriously People..
Why are people trying to rationalize Apple's decision to not allow Flash on the iphone? Worried about battery life? Don't go to flash heavy sites(which are useless on the iphone anyways). Prior to Imeem releasing their app for the iphone(which is awesome and everyone should download) there was no way to use the website to listen to music. So I had all of these great playlists that I couldn't listen to at work, in my car, etc. Im not trying to say flash is a must have feature, or that it isn't buggy. But that one out of ten website that requires flash for video or audio is something that iphone users are going to be missing out on if Apple doesn't change their mind on the flash plug in. We can blame ATT for plan pricing, messaging not being bundled in with data, Tele nav subsription being an additional 10 and pretty much ever other major flaw, but lack of Flash falls squarely on apple.
The problem isn't people
The problem isn't people going to flash heavy sites, its sites getting lazy and over-using flash in places it isn't necessary. And I'm not even talking about the new animation capabilities in CSS or HTML 5. I never realized just how much flash is used on sites for things like fonts and typesetting until I installed "clicktoflash" to prevent ads from coming up and slowing down page loads.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be nice to look at flash sites on it iPhone, but this "war" really needs to be fought on 2 fronts. Flash capabilities, and sites being more responsible with their flash usage.
As a developer, I find Flash
As a developer, I find Flash quite useful for interactive application with rich graphic (we are developing a PowerPoint like presentation tool). It would be practically impossible to do in DHTML/AJAX without Flash (too much navigator and non standard behavior). Java is good for a lot of things but is not suitable to animate a graphically rich application with lot of special effects.
So for me Flash is really relevant for some kind of applications. It's really clean for a developer standpoint (I talk about ActionScript 3 there).
But up until now, Flash was too resources hungry to be put on a mobile platform. It certainly took a lot of work on Adobe part to port it and optimized it for ARM processor.
Maybe one day we will see it integrated in Safari (in another process like on Safari for MacOS X?)
FrenchMac
The problem lies with Adobe
The problem is that Flash for OS X is crap. It pounds on the processor (100% even on multi-cores) and drains a lot of power. The latter in a phone isn't okay.
If you have a gripe, send it to Adobe.
I don't have much technical
I don't have much technical expertise on Flash but if I remember one of Apple's problems with flash is that Adobe is using it as an application development program, flash games and so on.
Which might cause issues with the iPhone OS, not to mention the App Store model.
Adobe like all the tech companies like Msft. are trying to carve out a chunk of the OS space.
Exactly. I think Apple wants
Exactly. I think Apple wants all applications to have to go through the App Store. Flash could circumvent that.
nice try, but...
you're wasting your time with these unbiased and logical arguments based on well-known facts. it only confuses and enrages them.
I hope Apple will never let
I hope Apple will never let that abomination run on the iPhone. I hope HTML5 and VIDEO tag will spread quickly, so that I can have Flash disabled by default on my Mac.
:P
Flash is dead, sorry to burst a bubble. Apple has been trying to make a new standard using CSS coding, which if anybody realized, came mostly integrated with the new Safari 4 browser for computers. Unfortunately I do not own an iPhone yet (1month!) and I do not know what version of Safari is running on the iPhone, but I'm pretty sure that Apple will use their own way of showing "flash" objects.
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The idea that the original
The idea that the original iPhone was to slow to run flash is nonsense. For many years I used an Acorn RISC OS desktop machine as my main computer - actually, only computer a lot of the time - and it was quite capable of running flash.
Why is this relevant? Well, Acorn invented the ARM and the desktop in question used a StrongARM @ 202MHz with a 64Mb ram. A later version (circa 2004) used a 600MHz ARM XScale 80321 and 1Gb ram and obviously ran flash faster. Neither was as fast as even an original iPhone.
Performance is not the issue - barring incompetent programming - it's the legal and business aspects that matter.
Action Script
Many important online children's interactive educational applications are built using action script. It would be nice to be able to use them on an iPod Touch or iPhone. I read that a mobile flash player beta is to be launched in October. Hopefully, this will solve the outstanding performance issues just in time for the new iPod touch likely coming in mid September.
If I could ahve one program
If I could ahve one program make it's way to the iphone/ipod touch, it would be the windows mobile and palm web browser skyfire. Heck, it can play flash, quicktime, and even silverlight (but silverlight sucks)
Adobe is being misleading
This is plugin that is labelled as being "Flash", yet has significant limitations than the Flash plugin on Windows.
I'm glad that Apple is keeping Flash off the iPhone, because the iPhone is a popular device that people are using, and companies want their sites to be accessible to the iPhone, hence, they are much more likely to switch to or stick with internet standards instead of using Flash.
Adobe is being misleading
This is plugin that is labelled as being "Flash", yet has significant limitations than the Flash plugin on Windows.
I'm glad that Apple is keeping Flash off the iPhone, because the iPhone is a popular device that people are using, and companies want their sites to be accessible to the iPhone, hence, they are much more likely to switch to or stick with internet standards instead of using Flash.
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This is such a great high advance conceptual product and whole post on blog is interesting, I love this blog REALLY GREAT
Actually, it's all just a flash in the pan.
Android only runs Flash Lite (something already running on other smartphones), not the full Flash engine used on desktops which means Android won't be compatible with half the Flash content out there on the web.
Have you actually seen any moderately complex Flash site running on a smartphone? It is a pretty poor experience.
It'll probably be enough to play back all those annoying, bandwidth sucking, memory filling, battery draining, processor hogging Flash ads though.
Excellent! ;-)
-Mart
i think flash should be an
i think flash should be an option like the 3g toggle and wifi. if u want flash turn it on and pop a warning about battery consumption. if you dont want flash turn it off that would be the best way imo to go about it. the 3gs should at least have it the other iphones might be to slow for it.
Are we not missing something here?
This discussion is very tech-oriented and so is HTC. I've also had Flash running on way slower platforms than the HTC and that's not the question here at all. Sure you will be able to play back Flash files on it, but it won't look good.
What if Apple is holding back because of the user experience? If it does not look good and work flawlessly, Apple won't allow it. I think it's that easy. Apple won't allow something that makes the iPhone perform poorly, whereas HTC really does not care if the experience is lacking. They are after all a tech centered company, not a UX company as Apple is.
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