What if Apple and Facebook had collaborated on Snow Leopard?
Fri, 07/17/2009 - 12:03pm — Cleve Nettles
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What if Apple had baked some Facebook goodness into Snow Leopard? Would you have luv'd it more?
The two companies spent a lot of time collaborating early on in Facebook's development. FastCompanytalked with Facebook's senior platform manager and former Apple employee Dave Morin on how Apple was resistant to using Facebook's platform in their OS. According to him, Apple didn't think computers could do social. Dave then made the jump to Facebook where he is trying to prove the opposite.
We'd add that Apple has added a lot of Facebook integration to iPhoto and we've heard things about upcoming Addressbook/iCal (birthdays) ties to Facebook as well.
"According to him, Apple didn't think computers could do social"
I don't want it either, when I want to "online socialize", I can use facebook through a browser and no I don't want it native on my computer (neither mac or pc)
Excellent point! When I want to online socialize, I will use my web browser. But no, don't make it so integrated into the OS. I hope this David guy is reading our comments.
Excellent point! When I want to online socialize, I will use my web browser. But no, don't make it so integrated into the OS. I hope this David guy is reading our comments.
As long as there is a switch, and when that switch is off, the features use zero resources, yes enable Facebook integrations... and Flickr and Youtube and Vimeo and my Google life, etc.
I think this is something I have been really thinking that it might come true in the future.
Facebook integration with MobileMe. Imagine, all your contacts from Facebook automatically imported to your MobileMe contacts, and every time contact info changes on Facebook, it changes on MobileMe as well.
I can see Facebook integration with MobileMe, or like Apple has already been doing, YouTube integration with iPod touch and eventually QuickTime. That's fine and a great idea.
But what the hell is a Social OS? OS means operating system. That makes no sense in making an OPERATING SYSTEM run my computer. What the hell is that?
You make an excellent point about FaceBook owning everything within it, including our user profiles and information. When I first started playing with FB, I put on my personal pictures, my portraits, drawings, and even wrote notes about personal things that I wanted to share with friends. Well...a few years later after I realised that FB really doesn't delete any of these things when I execute the "delete command" and that it actually keeps this information, I immediately stopped putting any personal content on my FB page. I also removed all my old FB content that was personal (even though I have no idea if FB servers actually still store them). I no longer put personal stuff on my FB page. I only share articles and pieces os interesting things I find on the web through posting on FB. Aside from that, nothing personal is ever added to FB. The internet and my personal self are separate.
You make an excellent point about FaceBook owning everything within it, including our user profiles and information. When I first started playing with FB, I put on my personal pictures, my portraits, drawings, and even wrote notes about personal things that I wanted to share with friends. Well...a few years later after I realised that FB really doesn't delete any of these things when I execute the "delete command" and that it actually keeps this information, I immediately stopped putting any personal content on my FB page. I also removed all my old FB content that was personal (even though I have no idea if FB servers actually still store them). I no longer put personal stuff on my FB page. I only share articles and pieces os interesting things I find on the web through posting on FB. Aside from that, nothing personal is ever added to FB. The internet and my personal self are separate.
What the hell is a Social Networking OS? Makes no sense. I'm glad Apple resisted it. Makes no sense to make the virtual networking _necessarily_ combine with the physical network/community because people don't necessarily want to commune around those relationships in those ways. Some do, of course, but a lot probably don't. And, those who do eventually turn the whole thing into a clique rather. In those cases, rather than becoming about the OS, it becomes about cliques. Well, which is it that you want? OS developing or cliques?
The tech world is so male dominated (and especially white males) it's getting to be sickening. The ideas that these men think of and dream about are really embedded in their social selves and this is a truism because all of us are embedded in ours too. But the problem that arises is yet again we have another bunch of white guys defining what moves the world and what is to be worked on. That's just sickening.
Wouldn't it be a more brilliant idea if the white male dominated tech industry through of ways to actually make gender and racial inequality lessen within the tech world and find ways to propagate that into the larger world? Tackle that issue and forgo making a Social OS, whatever that is.
If I were a comedienne, I would say look at them happy-ass white males. Look at the way they posture. Look at the way this Dave Morin sits with his right ankle on his left knee. Look at that. What is that about? Posturing masculinity and virility? Do I want some white boy defining what is social networking? No.
I sometimes wonder if people realize how much of their privacy is lost with social networks like FB. Seems like if someone can post every time they just farted is is something good and necessary. We have become a nation of lambs happily bleating on our way to the slaughter. The short answer is no I don't want FB integration into Mac OS X, last thing I want is a Nascar OS.
Sat, 07/18/2009 - 6:13pm — marcus erronius (not verified)
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Okay, it's time for y'all to calm down a bit, put your tinfoil hat up on the shelf, and stop going all reactionary about this.
Let's be rational. If there was facebook integration on the mac, it wouldn't be invasive. It would be, at the *very* most, as invasive as itools/dotmac/mobileme has been. It would likely be less so, since it isn't an apple product. It would probably be something that you wouldn't know was there unless you had a facebook account.
In other words, If you didn't provide it with your account information, there would be no performance or privacy issues for you to contend with. But for those who want things like address book syncing, photo sharing, calender integration, notifications pushed to their desktop, etc., this would be a god thing.
Okay, so if that is the type of integration that would occur fine. But why call is a Social OS? That means 'Social Operating System" right? Why call it an Operating System? It's not like Windows or OS X where these two OS's actually do need to be there to run a computer.
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"According to him, Apple
"According to him, Apple didn't think computers could do social"
I don't want it either, when I want to "online socialize", I can use facebook through a browser and no I don't want it native on my computer (neither mac or pc)
Excellent point! When I want
Excellent point! When I want to online socialize, I will use my web browser. But no, don't make it so integrated into the OS. I hope this David guy is reading our comments.
Excellent point! When I want
Excellent point! When I want to online socialize, I will use my web browser. But no, don't make it so integrated into the OS. I hope this David guy is reading our comments.
NO! FUCK FACEBOOK YES IN
NO!
FUCK FACEBOOK
YES IN CAPS.
As long as there is a switch,
As long as there is a switch, and when that switch is off, the features use zero resources, yes enable Facebook integrations... and Flickr and Youtube and Vimeo and my Google life, etc.
I think this is something I
I think this is something I have been really thinking that it might come true in the future.
Facebook integration with MobileMe. Imagine, all your contacts from Facebook automatically imported to your MobileMe contacts, and every time contact info changes on Facebook, it changes on MobileMe as well.
yes
I can see Facebook integration with MobileMe, or like Apple has already been doing, YouTube integration with iPod touch and eventually QuickTime. That's fine and a great idea.
But what the hell is a Social OS? OS means operating system. That makes no sense in making an OPERATING SYSTEM run my computer. What the hell is that?
WTF?
What the heck are you even trying to say with this "article"????
I'd say you should smoke another one, order a pizza, and relax a bit before you try writing again.
Facebook T &Cs will not permit this
Folks;
Facebook owns everything that you put on their website.
Developers are not permitted to store any contact data obtained from Facebook.
Facebook is tracking your every move and selling that informatio.
There is no way for Mobile Me to load your FB friends or it would have been done a long time ago.
Facebook is a walled garden - ANYTHING you put in there does not come out.
When you decide to leave FB - how do you take any of it with you?
Excellent point
You make an excellent point about FaceBook owning everything within it, including our user profiles and information. When I first started playing with FB, I put on my personal pictures, my portraits, drawings, and even wrote notes about personal things that I wanted to share with friends. Well...a few years later after I realised that FB really doesn't delete any of these things when I execute the "delete command" and that it actually keeps this information, I immediately stopped putting any personal content on my FB page. I also removed all my old FB content that was personal (even though I have no idea if FB servers actually still store them). I no longer put personal stuff on my FB page. I only share articles and pieces os interesting things I find on the web through posting on FB. Aside from that, nothing personal is ever added to FB. The internet and my personal self are separate.
Excellent point
You make an excellent point about FaceBook owning everything within it, including our user profiles and information. When I first started playing with FB, I put on my personal pictures, my portraits, drawings, and even wrote notes about personal things that I wanted to share with friends. Well...a few years later after I realised that FB really doesn't delete any of these things when I execute the "delete command" and that it actually keeps this information, I immediately stopped putting any personal content on my FB page. I also removed all my old FB content that was personal (even though I have no idea if FB servers actually still store them). I no longer put personal stuff on my FB page. I only share articles and pieces os interesting things I find on the web through posting on FB. Aside from that, nothing personal is ever added to FB. The internet and my personal self are separate.
Facebook should NOT be part
Facebook should NOT be part of the OS, just like World of Warcraft shouldn't be part of the OS.
Hells no
Facebook fuckin sucks! The only reason I'm there is because my friends are there (duh). If facebook were an OS, I'd flee like it was the black plague.
NFW
Putting Facebook in the OS is like deliberately injecting a virus.
(I enjoy using FB but watching it [and its apps] choke is no fun.)
Yuck!
What the hell is a Social Networking OS? Makes no sense. I'm glad Apple resisted it. Makes no sense to make the virtual networking _necessarily_ combine with the physical network/community because people don't necessarily want to commune around those relationships in those ways. Some do, of course, but a lot probably don't. And, those who do eventually turn the whole thing into a clique rather. In those cases, rather than becoming about the OS, it becomes about cliques. Well, which is it that you want? OS developing or cliques?
The tech world is so male dominated (and especially white males) it's getting to be sickening. The ideas that these men think of and dream about are really embedded in their social selves and this is a truism because all of us are embedded in ours too. But the problem that arises is yet again we have another bunch of white guys defining what moves the world and what is to be worked on. That's just sickening.
Wouldn't it be a more brilliant idea if the white male dominated tech industry through of ways to actually make gender and racial inequality lessen within the tech world and find ways to propagate that into the larger world? Tackle that issue and forgo making a Social OS, whatever that is.
Happy-ass male posturing
If I were a comedienne, I would say look at them happy-ass white males. Look at the way they posture. Look at the way this Dave Morin sits with his right ankle on his left knee. Look at that. What is that about? Posturing masculinity and virility? Do I want some white boy defining what is social networking? No.
Please No
I sometimes wonder if people realize how much of their privacy is lost with social networks like FB. Seems like if someone can post every time they just farted is is something good and necessary. We have become a nation of lambs happily bleating on our way to the slaughter. The short answer is no I don't want FB integration into Mac OS X, last thing I want is a Nascar OS.
Simmer Down People
Okay, it's time for y'all to calm down a bit, put your tinfoil hat up on the shelf, and stop going all reactionary about this.
Let's be rational. If there was facebook integration on the mac, it wouldn't be invasive. It would be, at the *very* most, as invasive as itools/dotmac/mobileme has been. It would likely be less so, since it isn't an apple product. It would probably be something that you wouldn't know was there unless you had a facebook account.
In other words, If you didn't provide it with your account information, there would be no performance or privacy issues for you to contend with. But for those who want things like address book syncing, photo sharing, calender integration, notifications pushed to their desktop, etc., this would be a god thing.
replying to "marcus erronius"
Okay, so if that is the type of integration that would occur fine. But why call is a Social OS? That means 'Social Operating System" right? Why call it an Operating System? It's not like Windows or OS X where these two OS's actually do need to be there to run a computer.
Apple makes the right
Apple makes the right decision, again.