Apple, Asus, netbooks on the mind

Thu, 10/16/2008 - 5:51am — Jonny Evans
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You got to admit it, one person you never want to take on in a Poker game would have to be Apple CEO, Steve Jobs, surely?

Think about it. 

This man is one of the most accomplished truth deflectors in the business - we’re not saying he doesn’t tell the truth, he does, he’s pretty much always honest, he’s just good, really, really good at saying truthful things which make listeners think they hear the opposite of what he says

Remember Steve Jobs on enabling video playback for iPods, when he was so often heard to say, “the iPod is for listening to music, it’s not designed for video.”

He was telling the truth - the iPod that existed then wasn't and isn't designed for video. The unreleased product (which Jobs seems to file mentally into a box in the mind marked, 'does not yet exist') sitting in the Apple r&d Lab, well, that did video fine. It's just not having been announced yet, it did not exist. So he was honest, gave an answer to the question, and sent all the media scurrying on a path of their very own surmise.

Think back to 2004, when Jobs responded to Detroit Free Press correspondent Mike Wendland’s question about video for the Pod, and other features with the wise-crack, “We want it to make toast, we’re toying with refrigeration, too.” (Interestingly the G5 Power Mac did possess a water based cooling system to keep it cool, so perhaps that was on Jobs’ mind). "One of the things we say around Apple, and I paraphrase Bill Clinton from the 1992 presidential race, is 'It's about the music, stupid,’” Jobs added. 

His observation then was that there’s a difference between the way we listen to music and watch video - video demands more attention while music is a background process. “We’re focused on music,” he said.

Flash forward to D:All Things Digital last year, when Walt Mossberg pulled him up on those earlier statements about iPod video. That’s when Jobs said he was skeptical, but customers have proved him wrong, and changed his tune, “People have watched a lot of video on iPods. Video is here to stay on portable devices.” 

Here’s the D video to refresh your memory.

These are a few threads suggesting the Apple leader’s talent for misdirection. Any of us who watched the debate about handheld devices  before Apple introduced the iPhone should have similar anecdotes, Jobs seemed dead against them, describing the market as “not a happy place”.

Flash forward to today, and you have Jobs’ scathing turn down on Blu-ray support in Macs, “It’s a bag of hurt”; and his denial of any plans for an Apple netbook...

Except it’s not a denial, is it? "In terms of netbooks, that’s a nascent market that’s just getting started. We’ll see how it goes,” Jobs explained in the (expurgated from the finally released official Apple event video) Q&A session which followed this week’s MacBook family values launch. 

This has been widely reported as Apple nixing the idea, at least for now.

I don’t think that’s the case - the company is already working on devices that will accomplish such tasks, I think, but once again it’s assembling the building blocks.

- I don’t believe we can expect to see an Apple netbook this side of the release of Snow Leopard.

- I think Apple’s plans call for adding industrial grade strengths to Mobile Me - so your netbook will have full access to all your information and media...iPhone shows the way.

It'’s not Apple's netbook time yet, but this is one “nascent market” the company can jump right into. Indeed, the market's going to be nascent until the company does.

Quite like John Gruber’s articulation of that last thought, “Apple may well go there eventually, but it won’t be for another year or two, and then when they do, it will drive the PC press nuts because Steve Jobs will announce it in such a way that makes it seem as though Apple invented the entire product category.”

How true. 

Asus has two years, max. 

(Or I'm wrong, of course - bear in mind that this entire report is an opinion piece).

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expurgated

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Andy Space said:
(expurgated from the finally released official Apple event video)

I think you mean extracted.

Definition of expurgate.

 Thank you clever clogs, now

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 Thank you clever clogs, now do me 500-words on the evolution of RAM, and see how your grammar holds up. (If it's any good, we'll run it)

That had to hurt!!! nice one

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That had to hurt!!! nice one

That's funny. Last year I

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That's funny. Last year I actually did have to write an essay about the evolution of RAM for school.

Or didacted. But don't go

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Or didacted. But don't go getting defensive, Andy. If your technical knowledge is your strength (bolstered by your interpretive skills), TAKE from those who would comment on your writing skills, benefit from it, and you'll be even better.

More substantively: I think you're right, and i think a netbook will appear sooner than two years, and i think it might be half-iPhone and half-Macbook. Do you see any possibility of that?

Lastly: Imagine the functionality of a netbook used along with one of apple's new Cinema Displays with the "docking" cables. You have the most mobile of mobile computers (ok, not counting the iPhone) but at home, or at your desk at work, you can attach three little cables and you have a giant screen and a conventional full-sized keyboard.

With all this talk of computers utilizing graphics chips, and of Snow Leopard allowing processors' work to be compounded, couldn't there even be a chip added into the monitor, so when you "dock" to it the netbook's computing powers are compounded? Plus additional HD storage in the monitor, of course!

I'd like to hear you run with those ideas--support them or tear them apart.

Actually, I think expurgated

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Actually, I think expurgated is used correctly in this context ("To remove erroneous, vulgar, obscene, or otherwise objectionable material from (a book, for example) before publication."). Extracted implies that the thing in question was removed from a greater whole for separate consideration.

Opinion.... maybe.... but,

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I think you are wonderfully close with this piece. Now, how shocking is it? Not at all... of course Apple has all kinds of things buzzing around in their skunk-works. Jobs has said in the past that there were many products that never made it to market that he is tremendously proud of - specifically, a Mac Tablet.

I agree. I think Apple has

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I agree. I think Apple has shown time and again that they are unwilling to simply do the obvious when approaching these types of new market segments.

The current approach to the netbook market segment is to create miniaturized versions of PC laptops. So the thinking goes that Apple should do the same and produce a miniaturized version of a MacBook.

This is a different concept than the MBA. The MBA is a reasonably powerful, small but still full-sized system.

I think Apple is waiting to get sufficiently powerful and battery-friendly chips from Intel. They are clearly dissatisfied by the Atom processor and its related chipsets.

I think Apple sees its netbook product as a larger version of the iPhone (a tablet, if you will) that will doc in new and interesting ways with the iMac and possibly with your MacBook via the new Cinema Display "hub" contraption.

The purchase of PA Semi probably has more to do with this "non-existent" product and the eventual refresh of the iPhone than it does with anything else. I'm going to wager that the entire iPod/iPhone/iTablet line will use custom CPUs and Chipsets based on a multi-core ARM architecture.

These products will all use an OSX kernel but with the mobile UI we see on the iPhone ... one that uses a virtual keyboard and gestures. The desktop and notebood line will use Intel CPUs and the full desktop OSX system with a gesture pad but no full touch screen.

he didn't deny the

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he didn't deny the possibility, he simply said it's premature. there's no mystery here.

It's a start...

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Of a great idea.

Snow Leopard improvements combined with a fully-functional Mobile Me platform and you do have one magnificent netbook.

Well-processed.

Imagine one of those little guys with Blu-Ray in addition to a Cinema display and I have cause for a virtual orgasm.

2 years??

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I think you are indeed very close to the truth here, what puzzles me is your thought of upto 2 years?

How long was it from the iPod no video comments to the new video enabled iPod being in the market place?

As we all know Macworld is almost upon us what's to be introduced then?

How many times over the last few years have the major keynotes not introduced key new products?

Surely Macworld is not just going to see rev's and bumps?

So Macworld would seem to be pointing in the direction of Snow Leopard, iPhone rev (2.2 software, new camera, processor bump, 32gb, copy paste - please), 17in MacPro, Blu Ray drives for all!!, 30in cinema display ? Some of the above are interesting and may happen, others most likely never to happen, but nothing is arresting!

Surely it's got to be time for the MacTablet, cant see Apple waiting upto 2 years especially when Asus - who used to make Mac's - have already slated touch screen Eee's for early next year.

So what's the hook for Macworld to be??

Missed one thing

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The author missed one thing in the "all things d" video. Shortly after 5min., 30 seconds, Steve Jobs mentions about the itunes store being "up in the cloud". Obviously they were already putting the finishing touches on .me and "the cloud".

I hate this guy because he is

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I hate this guy because he is making a lot of sense. :(
I don't care Mr. Jobs! I want my Mac Tablet, or iPhone supreme or MacTouch by this January's MacWorld!

I don't care if all the pieces aren't in place. :(

Wahhhhhhhhhhhh! :(

Blue-ray are you kidding?

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The statement is more then obvious. Steve wants everyone to get movies thru iTunes and use AppleTV. What good should it be to have his customer run and buy BRs? Apple is not selling BRs but is selling HD Content. Unfortunately BR didn't die with HD DVD and gave the way for Apple's only favorite - iTunes! Ah what about the great storage capacity of BR? Well, thats true had to discuss - so Apple just ignores is. One does not go without the other.
BR support? WTF!

The only problem with that is

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The only problem with that is the fact that only blu-rays currently support the great picture quality of 1080p...well...legally that is. ;)
And certainly itunes does not support 1080p downloads. Hell, they barely even support 720p!!!

Not to lose his "competitive" advantage

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It makes sense..
- Where as most companies happily tell everyone what they want to deliver.. and then not actually deliver it in a usable format..

- Apple has been all about making that first impact count and storm away with their ideas.

In some ways if people are expecting to see announcements, you will naturally give them updates even if they are pretty much useless. The companies are dependent on keeping their products in the news.

Apple basically lets its customer based go off in rampant directions speculating... thus keeping it on everyones minds.

We must also remember that

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We must also remember that "All D" session, like 4 years ago, in which Steve Jobs said (something like): "We are proud of the devices that we released as also of those to said No".
In the Q&A somebody asked to which one they said ‘No’ and Steve said ‘a PDA’,,, we did not get to make it different to the others.

So, I'm sure they are working on... but not so sure that they will release it (at least with actual technologies/conditions)

Argh! Stop making sense! I

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Argh! Stop making sense! I want my mactouch. :(

I still believe Apple has enough reason to release a MacTouch at January's Macworld.

This website is such an Apple

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This website is such an Apple marketing feed.

and you are totally reading

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and you are totally reading it

ha.

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his name is your name too :P