Does Apple's pricing really need to be at $1.29 per song?
A lot of you seem to be upset by the new iTunes music pricing scheme released today. At first, we were kind of ambivalent but when we dug deeper we can see the point.
Why does Apple need to charge $1.29 when Amazon charges $.99 or even $.79 for the same track. Both are high quality DRM free music files. Apple sells way more music and isn't even trying to make a profit (or so it says) so it isn't a scalability or a margin issue.
Read on why (surprise) the recording industry isn't playing fair with Apple.
News today was that Amazon's prices would also start hitting $1.29 If you look at Amazon's top 100 Music sales, you'll see some prices at $.79 and some as high as $1.29. (Taken at 11:30 PM EST on April 8th).
But these $1.29 songs are few and far between, while most of Apple's top 100 are $1.29.
The number one song in both stores shows significantly different prices: the Amazon Store has the Black Eyed Peas' Boom Boom Pow for $.99, while iTunes charges $1.29.
Amazon's price above, vs. iTunes price below.
The #2 song on each chart, Poker Face, by Lady GaGa produced an even bigger discrepancy. Amazon has it for only $.79 while iTunes charges $1.29.
Update: Amazon has raised Pokerface to $.99
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Comments (38)
The iTunes Store sucks because you get AAC-Files with Information about your Account inside.
Why is this bad? Imagine someone has access to your music (maybe someone has stolen your macbook) and offers now your music in failesharing... nice?!
Amazon also does this. Im sure if questioned, you could simply say your laptop was stolen, present some police reports and be on your way
No. Amazon doesn't do it. The are just Infos, that the file is bought from Amazon. But there are no Infos about your personal account - I guess.
The iTunes Store sucks! Don't buy at iTunes. Apple will only learn, if you don't buy.
you'd know why AAC is better than MP3!!!
No, that is only true for small Bitrates. If yout take Bitrates like 256kbit/s, then you won't find a difference in quality.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/
I also admit to not buy crap with personal account information.
Actually, the AAC compression scheme IS more advanced than the older MP3 codec and DOES sound better at the same bitrate... Do a simple spectrum analysis and you'll have all the proof you need! Your ears might not be able to tell, but meters sure can! (at 256kbps, an MP3 will roll off most frequencies above 16kHz, whereas an AAC at 256kbps will extend up to 22kHz!)
Try some pro recording engineering forums instead of enthusiast sites...
AAC DRM free is what we have all been wanting. Higher quality, without the restrictions. If Apple had to give in to variable pricing with a 29 cent price increase, so be it.
They did what Apple always does, they added value to the product.
If others want to go to Amazon, and download a cheaper MP3 track, that is less quality then AAC, that is fine, competition and choice is good.
Believe me, now that everything is DRM free, Apple could care less about other music stores, in fact, that actually welcome, and want more music stores. Why? As already stated, Apple makes their money on hardware. More music stores, more iPods sold. iTunes will be the "premium" site, offering premium quality downloads, while others can offer their wares as they wish. All very good for Apple.
The analysts that listed this as a bad thing for Apple and helped dump the stock yesterday are fools. They forget, that Apple has won with DRM restrictions lifted, and they make their money on iPods, which can take music from anyones store.
To add to this, Amazon makes money on downloads, and not hardware... they will charge whatever they need to, to maximize profits... of course the starting point is whatever they labels are charging them
Further, to sell music, they NEED to promote a music player. They will promote the premium players like iPods, which makes money both for Apple and Amazon.... this is bad for Apple how?
"AAC DRM free is what we have all been wanting. Higher quality, without the restrictions. If Apple had to give in to variable pricing with a 29 cent price increase, so be it.
They did what Apple always does, they added value to the product.
If others want to go to Amazon, and download a cheaper MP3 track, that is less quality then AAC, that is fine, competition and choice is good."
I didn't wait for Personal Account Information in the files. This is even worse than AAC.
And I would bet, that you would not here the difference between mp3 (lame, with good settings) and aac, if you take 256 kbit.
A friend has good Music equipment about 20 000 to 30 000 Euro (
Burmester and Dynaudio).
You are wrong! If you take Lame (not the crappy iTunes mp3 encoder) with high bitrate and good settings, there is nearly no difference. There are lot of abx Tests. But AAC is realy better in low bitrates.
The flaw in your argument: "NEARLY no difference." There IS a difference, and, as I said before, it sticks out like a sore thumb if you do a spectrum analysis!!! I've done the comparison many times myself (using the Lame encoder in Peak Pro vs. iTunes AAC encoding, in fact) and the results don't lie!!!
If the MP3 works well enough for you, then buy it... but don't be deluded into thinking it's "just as good" when it's really not. MP3 is a much older codec, and is not nearly as transparent to the trained ear as compared to AAC files at the same bitrate.
Double-blind listening tests are well and good for average listeners, but I'm talking about more of an analytical scientific approach as to what data is ACTUALLY IN THE FILES. The study of psychoacoustics has proven that our ears can lie to us... but meters can show us the truth!
Rapidshare is better :-)
In the iTunes of Spain, those songs are at 99 cent.
The problem with pricing for things like this is that if there was a fair price competition then the prices would be extremely low, because the companies can afford it.
It is like selling petrol - the major companies all get together and fix prices at approx. the same level so that they do not get into a price war! Have you never noticed how the price of petrol in your area fluctuates slightly from week to week - this is all so you dont see that it is fixed.
The digital download business is going exactly the same way - where one track will be cheaper on Amazon, they will have others that are cheaper in iTunes.
Basically, what I am trying to say is that the consumer is the one that loses out, where if we demand the companies offer their lowest price, I am sure we would see digital downloads for $0.49 if not cheaper!
I doubt they are price fixing, that's illegal if you didn't realise.
Are you really that naive? You think that just because something is illegal, big companies won't do it?? Good grief.
To be clear, I *don't* think that's what's happening here (the record labels are trying to make Apple bend over and take it in the tailpipe) but your comment is just silly.
Since gas (oil) is a commodity the basic answer is that it isn't fixed. The price is determined by the market. If you actually believe in price fixing then you haven't taken enough economics courses. Price fixing is illegal but the real reason why it isn't done is because it isn't VIABLE in the long run. You can't AFFORD to price fix. Don't argue - go buy an economics book.
The iTunes store isn't an open market. There are three price choices .69, .99, and 1.29. The price point is determined by the studios. Price fixing? I wouldn't go that far... but the studios are trying to maximize their profit while experimenting with the elasticity of demand between music download stores. Let the experiment ride out a couple months before making any judgements. As a consumer you have the choice to buy from which ever store you want (or torrent) with the various user experiences and consequences of getting your music from each place. Choose wisely for what best fits you. If price is a big concern then research between Amazon and iTunes. Save yourself .30 if you really care - just stop whining about stuff you know very LITTLE about.
Companies do not lower price because they "can afford it". This is not a government run communist society (yet). Prices are set by the following method: cost to produce, plus overhead, plus profit, plus what the market will bare. Any price fudging is in the last two variables. They can only go so low, before losing money... on the other hand, they can only go so high, before getting diminishing returns. This is a universal fact. If I charge more then a competitor for a service that is the same, I have to be giving the client more perceived value then the competition, for the client to justify paying more. On the other hand, if the additional value isn't there, and competition exists at a lower price, a prudent shopper will will take the deal. The higher priced company, will see diminishing profits due to diminishing sales, and either add value to bring customers back, or drop their price to compete. None of this is bad for us, as music consumers... this is all very, very good. Getting the labels to agree to DRM free was the winning shot in the war. Now many music stores can open and compete on a level playing field. Good for Apple, good for us. Let some time go by; the labels are business men, and a lower price may actually be more profitable for them... as already stated, they have no data and are testing the price elasticity of music downloads... time will tell.
There's no proper price competition outside the US yet. Apple can easily charge more than Amazon does in Europe, since Amazon only sells to mp3s to US customers. In fact, here, there's no other music store that I know of, that offers high quality DRM-free music. Another plus for the iTunes store is the size of it's collection.
Apple charges what it must, dictated by it's costs. iTunes is not there to make money, but to add value to the iPod proposition (which is where they do make their money). It's not in Apple's best interests to squelch music demand, as people would not then, need an iPod. That's one of the reasons Apple is continually adding more value to the iPod, so that it is not a one trick pony, but rather, that it will become a device useful for a myriad of things besides music. Music was just the start. Now it's video, including music & tv shows, podcasts, educational courses, books (both audio and written), applications, & games. In the beginning, music was the key to the iPod. Apple won, by negotiating fixed 99 cent pricing in exchange for DRM. Now, Apple won again, by negotiating DRM free and allowing variable pricing. Now that there are other stores and competition, variable pricing will work. In the beginning, it would not have.
Just cheked the Danish iTune store.
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Lady Gaga - The Fame
All songs beside 2 cost 8,- dkk (1,42$)
Just dance and Poker Face cost 10,-dkk (1,78$)
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I don't like that, that when a song gets populer, they are bumping the price.
It's not like it's costing them more to sell you a populer song, then a non populer song
Amazon now has the same pricing tiers as Apple. Record execs strike again.
Beat me to it :(
I know it gets no coverage in the US, because it isn't IN the US, but Spotify is the answer. Freeeee!
I looked forward to the new pricing when I heard there would be .69 cent pricing for some older songs. I can't find any songs priced at .69 cents. Maybe an obscure Bee Gees tune selling for .69 cents. Why bother apple!
I don't understand why we as consumers have to pay a premium ($1.29) for music because it is a "new release" or because it's "popular".
It's not like there is a supply and demand issue here. It's all digital. So why does one digital file on a server somewhere cost $1.29 when the one right next to it is .99?
I say we boycott the $1.29 songs and vow to only buy the .69 and .99 tracks.
I don't mind variable pricing now that digital is here to stay and we now have a level playing field with DRM free music.
Jobs has always been a consumer advocate, in this regard, and we are getting more then what we gave up with full DRM free and then some. Look for some new Apple services to roll out that will compliment and enhance our AV lifestyle.
Hopefully the artists benefit the most and get a percentage of the profits and not a fixed price per song. I think the iTunes average will still be 99 cents, I heard that was a stipulation, but maybe just rumor. One thing is for sure, if the labels are about making money, they will set the price to maximize profits. This could actually be good for consumers, as this may actually settle in lower then 99 cents! This is economicts 101, find the sweet spot to maximize margin without diminishing sales. If sales diminish too much, at some point, profits will actually me LESS and they will actually lower prices to boost them back up. The labels should know this, but Apple most certainly knows this. Believe me, Apple will be running monthly financials. If they can show that more money is to be made with lower prices, they will be hot on the labels with this data. Here's a fun fact, did you know that the government actually makes MORE money when it LOWERS taxes? Yep. Everytime. Why? For one, when taxes are reasoable, people are less likely to cheat. Two, people have more discretionary money to spend, which spurs economic growth, leading to more business, leading to more employees, leading to more taxable income. Third, businesses themselves have more money to reinvest into the company, again spurring growth. Jobs knows this, and it applies the same to music sales.
Sorry about the spelling errors above. I typed that out quickly on my iPhone, and should have reread before submitting.
My basic point, was that Apple knows business, and they know their customers, even if the labels do not. Believe me, if the data and financials show that lower prices will make the labels more money, Apple will be there pushing for it. They will never show that higher music prices make more money (even if it turns out that it does), as their profit center is not music, but hardware. We just don't know where that "sweet spot" will level out at... time will tell, but my bet is that overall, prices will eventually go down, or, more value will be added to justify a higher price.
Let 6 months go by, and some historical data build up... in this case, I am confident that Apple is our advocate, as their and our interests are the same: keep it simple, keep prices low, offer the best quality available.
Isn't this collusion? Apple has a great antitrust suit going here IMO.
Come on, it's not even the real thing, it's just a compressed file...
1.29$ a song it's more than 10 bucks.
And you can pre order the Black Eyed Peas cd on amazon for $11.49...