The iPad has Adobe's Flash on Apple's video
Update: Our report has forced Apple to change its Website. Details here.
You saw it here first, folks. In Apple's official video the iPad, they show the New York Times being used. Looks pretty nice right? Well, unless the Times has a special iPad version of the site that switches HTML5 out when it detects Apple mobile products (btw, check current iPhone version of the Times below), THE IPAD HAS FLASH.
This is interesting because Adobe has already come out against Apple and the iPad for not including Flash. They'd know if Apple was using it, wouldn't they?
Normally, we'd say that Apple simply did the renders in the Mac version of Safari and just CG'ed it into the video. However, you can see the page rendering and being resolution independent as well, so it is likely being done on an iPad. Note the iPad simulator in Dev Tools also doesn't render Flash.
Update: We've just got word from our source at Chiat/Day Media Arts Lab that they make fake optimized web pages for all of Apple's commercials -- which load faster. In this case they made optimized images to take the place of Flash and are redoing them as we speak. So probably no Flash.
Here is a screen-grab the Apple.com video showing the NYTimes front page:
Here's the NYTimes with ClickToFlash on Safari. Note that the Video section and Travel section are both Flash.
Here is the Travel Section as they show the iPad using it with the "31 Places to Go in 2010":
Here is that same page on Safari with ClickToFlash:
The demo units they had at the event showed the NYTimes.com with Flash plug-in monikers as well. This shot from Engadget/Adobe shows what we saw at the event:
Will we see Flash on the final version of the iPad? (Vote now!) The chances just got a whole lot better, no?
Update: For those who think the Times have a special HTML5-enabled version of the site for iPad and iPhone, here is the same page on iPhone complete with missing Flash plugin:
(big thanks to Andrew Paul Simmons for the tip!!)
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I don't care about flash, but it would be so funny. They bitch and bitch about it and boom!
I don't care about Flash at all but it would certainly be nice to not have to listen to the morons who pretend it's a missing killer feature.
Apple's doing the right thing by not supporting Flash.
The iPhone has demonstrated that Flash support isn't really needed. Flash is proprietary and a performance-killer.
The only significant gap on the iPhone has been video sites that are Flash-based - and they should be moving to HTML 5.
I don't see Flash showing up on the iPad. It's more likely that the iPhone and the iPad are going to move advertisers and site owners to move away from Flash.
Oh yeah it's useful to mention that Flash is proprietary, because Apple is so much about openness.
Performance killer ? Are you kidding me ? The tablet even though incapable of multitasking can display HD videos.
It's political and it's about not falling in the very trap you are setting for everyone else, get over your pseudo objective reasons.
Uhm... The tablet has a decoder chip on it for decoding video - one that flash doesn't support.
The simple reason that Flash isn't on the device is because Adobe will not invest in making an efficient version of Flash for MacOS X (and by extension iPhoneOS). Look how much RAM and CPU flash needs on a Mac. It's a bloated, poorly implemented piece of garbage. It'll kill your battery life and be slow. If Adobe did the work, they'd have flash on the device and the iPhone/iPodTouch by now.
"The simple reason that Flash isn't on the device is because Adobe will not invest in making an efficient version of Flash for MacOS X"
You're an idiot. Adobe has the Open Screen Project and is porting versions of Flash that are all perfectly capable of running on the iPhone and defiantly the iPad.
It's well known by now that it;s Apple's fault for being so restrictive. Adobe will have Flash the second Apple approves.
Pay attention to what you write
Well it seems correct that Adobe has the open street platform available.
But will this is no argument that an implementation is available for each device / HW platform.
Moreover Adobe is just now able to provide HW acceleration on the desktop flash player.
Google for "fplayer10.1_hardware_acceleration"
Btw. Stick to facts!
"Flash is proprietary"
So is H.264. OGG is the only open source way to go.
"Flash is proprietary"
So is H.264. OGG is the only open source way to go.
IF you are using Proprietary as a reason to demonize a technology than look no further than the TamPad and the IPHone. Where else has anyone ever controlled not only the hardware, the dev environment but also the distribution channel for technology. What happened to the Open movement? Or was that just anti-Microsoft.... ?
Sure flash doesn't matter, if you don't need it. One of my priorities for my upcoming netbook purchase is studying language using an unparalleled site that is in flash (smart.fm). You and other people can tell me I don't need it or there are alternatives, but there is nothing as good as their flash based apps on that site. Until they rewrite it with the same polish, without flash, I'm kind of stuck.
And multitasking, holy crap, someone tell me I missed something in the presentation and this 500-800 netbook class device can multitask? I had to JB my iPhone to get it.
But I digress, please, join Apple and tell me why I shouldn't want to do, what I want to do, with these devices.
JB and iPhone for multitasking? It is not a provocation, but why? What you got? I just click an app to laod it and use it, if i need something else i exit and load another app. I think multitasking is useless on device like pda and netbooks, it also battery killer if used in the wrong way.
@about the thread
Flash sucks and i'm happy Apple is not supporting it in iPhones. HTML5 is the right way. The same applies for all other platforms. I'm also an Amiga users and sucha a niche platform will never have a good flash support, but HTML is here already.
What about if you are a business man and you have to write a note and you need the calender to check your schedule? It means saving your note, open the calender, memorizing what you want to know, closing the calender, open the not again and continue writing. You get my point?
I agree!
Oh cm'on, flash is useful for many sites. People create websites only in flash.
Hulu would be PERFECT for the ipad. They don't have an app so you'd have to go to the flash site.
Why would I need to pay 500-800 dollars for something that is gimped?
I am less concerned about Flash's utility on a Mac as I am Apple's flagrant deception that Flash actually works and works well on iPad.
Nice find guys!!!!
I personally HATE flash(watching a video on youtube literally kill my macbbook cpu-68%-and the fan is like a whirlwind)
BUT is a widespread technology and if well implementedi'd love to see it in iPad...maybe at day 1.
Seems like Apple has some cards covered yet...
Or maybe they just did a screencapture of iPad simulator
I looked around on the Apple website, and you can clearly see that the video of Safari on iPhone shows the Flash too. So it's not like this is anything special. Apple doesn't want its Promo material to look bad so it fakes the flash. Or more likely, somewhere in the basement of Apple HQ, there's an iPad (and an iPhone) that run Flash well enough to render it and then take some pictures.
Yes. Like, duh.
Don't think it has Flash. If it has then we would have seen it on keynote and it would be mentioned in the specks. Scaling pre-rendered page in AE or any comp program is very easy task. Honestly no one shoots the stuff from screens they are always comps. I've done them.
Hello,
sure it is just not HTML 5 with embedded video?
.jan
Yeap HTML5 probally, Flash will not see the iPad.
Or they could have just set the iPad's useragent to iPhone.
click to flash rules! fuck that stupid flash
You sir, are a moron.
@ .jan
My thoughts exactly. It even could've been a part of the deal... We get you good exposure and well tied in on the iPad day 1, you redesign your site to HTML5 so our users can actually enjoy it. Cause leading up to this event, with all the leaks coming from.through WSJ, looks like they've been riding shotgun with AAPL
I think they will add flash, but it will be a $25.00 update.
Boy are you dumb! If it doesn't have to start it won't have it later. DUH!!!
If the IPad had Flash, I'd be the first to buy it. Without it, I just won't buy it. Too bad, I really wanted one. Oh well Maybe Ipad 2.0.
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