Apple "Analysts" don't seem to be very good

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So doing the last post, we had to do some research on Shaw Wu an Analyst for American Technology Research who had made a bad call on the numbers of iPhone unlocking. Thankfully, MacRumors has put together a list of Shaw's predictions and their subsequent  "truthieness".  He's riding about 15% correct...which is like picking horses at the track based on their names.   Given all of this, he has a 4/5 star rating from Yahoo and many people make investment decisions based on his guidance.   Some of the better ones (from Macrumors):

  • Bigger monitors or TV sets are pending: "We are not certain on timing but our analysis indicates that AAPL is beyond prototype on large-screen technologies". [1] Status: unknown. 
  • A second Apple phone with "iChat mobile" instant messaging is in the works, timetable unknown. [2] [3] Status: unknown. 
  • Apple seriously considering $50-$150 rebate on iPhone. [4] Status: False - no rebates came with the iPhone introduction.
  • "Our sources indicate that Apple's latest [Leopard] beta build has made noticeable improvements in stability and functionality from previous builds and that Apple is likely one or two upcoming builds away from reaching 'final candidate' stage to be released for manufacturing." [5] Status: False - Apple delayed Leopard until October.
  • An Apple cell phone is coming, as all the pieces are in place for it. Quoted as saying "The design will be an iPod nano-like candy bar form factor and come in three colors ." to AppleInsider [6] [7] Status: False - while it is a candy bar, the product does not resemble the nano and no case options are offered.
  • Claims more Motorola iTunes phones will come. Status: False - With the introduction of the [iPhone], additional Motorola-based iTunes phones are highly doubtful. June 2006
  • iPod nanos will be given a magnesium enclosure, and are expected by October 2006.
  • ...and of course iphone hacking..."immaterial," representing "only a small group of users, namely hackers."

Its unfair to call out just Shaw.  Looking at the list of Analysts for someone who might have a clue yields very little.  Even Gene Munster (Piper Jaffray) whose full time job (and huge budget and crew of at least 4) it is to gather information on what Apple is up to, is not even 33% right.  Even worse, most of his "correct" "information" is weeks behind some of the better Apple blogs - like Appleinsider, Ars Technica, and MacRumors.   Heck, we even call a thing or two right once in awhile.  His numbers for the iPhone sales were way too optimistic - all of the smarter blogs knew that (Gizmodo, Engadget, etc.).

These are the same guys at the Apple sales calls that ask the same stupid, meaningless questions when given the chance to get information out of Apple.  For instance, Apple almost showed it's hand in regards to the AT&T kickback pricing.  They stated that:

Total revenue recognized during the quarter from sales of iPhones, iPhone accessories, and payments from AT&T was $118 million.

Damn!  You know the price of the iPhone (generally).  You know the amount they sold.  They are giving you two more variables and a sum.  ASK HOW MUCH REVENUE FROM IPHONE ACCESSORIES!  It is on a piece of paper right in front of them.  If they give that you you, you know the AT&T kickback amount.

Nope.  Nothing.  Wasn't someone taking notes?  So we are still guessing.

These "analysts" who work for huge Wall St. firms have huge budgets to do large amounts of research, take polls, time/ travel money to network with Apple employees, suppiers and contacts, yet can't come up with one bit of credible information.  Nearly all of them strike out all of the time.  It is uncanny.

Of course these guys have been at B-Schools and investment banks behind IBM Thinkpads their whole life, listen to music on the Hifi, not over wifi and have absolutely no idea about anything related to the Mac culture. 

They also tend to give broad generalizations like one of Gene Munster's latest:

Billing the subject its "Hot Topic of the Month," investment bank Piper Jaffray said Monday it believes there's a "high" likelihood Apple will announce an ultra-portable Mac sometime in the next 4 to 6 months.

"The move could take place in the form of an smaller laptop and/or a tablet device using the iPhone's multi-touch technology," Sr. Analyst Gene Munster explained in a report issued to client investors. "Although we do not have firm evidence, either product would be a strategic extension of Apple's current technology base."

So basically Apple MIGHT release a device between a macbook and iPhone in size within a half year.  That's pretty bold.  How could they not?

Also, there is the case of Scott Moritz from TheStreet who basically read recent blog intel verbatim and blindly guessed that new Macbooks would be released next week (don't worry they are still coming).  Many people think that Scott and others at TheStreet are shorting Apple stock and making quick cash on their public rumor-mongering.  So much for TheStreet cred.

So the point we are trying to make here is this:  Hire us!  We'll give you much better info than your current analysts.  If not that's cool, keep visiting our website.  We might throw a few Google ads your way but at least you know we aren't shorting Apple and trying to make a quick buck off of investor ignorance.

 

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"blindly guessed that new Macbooks would be released next week (don't worry they are still coming)." 

Great article by the way! I trust you guys more than anyone else, I check this site all the time. So anyways, since I'm trusting you with my next computer buy.... you are saying they are still on their way? Do you have any specs? The only thing I'm worried about is if they are changing their casing or not, if you could just tell me that, my life would be a lot eaiser. PLEASE, Let me know if the casing is changing. That's all! Thanks for all your hard work 9to5!

With increasing media coverage of everything Apple, as well as the impressive growth of their stock, it seems financial analysts are covering Apple in increasing detail and frequency.

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Yes, the whole mac community is waiting for 9to5 to unleash info about the new Macbooks...please enlighten us, no one else seems to be able to do that anymore apart from 9to5 (think secret anyone...mac os x tiger 10.4.11 due LAST wednesday...)

Shaw Wu is an analyst with American Technology Research. As of November, 2006, he had a 4/5 star rating from Yahoo Finance

Cheers,
Grace

What's the full range of iPhone specific acessories, it isn't really that big is it? How many of these offical accessories are people seeing bought. Yeah, I'm asking other posters here for what they've personally seen. Not the best data source but it isn't too bad.

But even without that you work out a ceiling for the AT&T revenue. Then there is just the issue that we don't know for sure if Apple's take is partially a larger frontloaded lump for signing the customer up or if it is just an ongoing flat percentage of all revenue.

P.S. The reason these folks might have their brains turned off is the repeated "no comment" beatings they've taken from Apple in the past along with that oh so well worked out Reality Distortion Field. If you are good at it, and with their sensi Jobs being an etheral master of it, you can actually turn off people's brains and hid things in plain sight while the victim is within the field's effect. ;)

They may not be accurate on product launch prediction.   But they are quite good in stock price prediction.  That's why they can still keep their jobs.

For the best analysis and discussion of AAPL on the net, visit the Apple Finance Board at TMO, where we have:

1) beaten the analysts on 18 successive quarters
2) predicted the iPhone subscriber revenue sharing arrangements back in January,
3) identified the huge rise in gross margins when others hadn't even considered the possibility,
4) accurately forecast the halo effect

...and been proven correct with out share price targets when others thought we were crazy.

If you want to know why AAPL could rise to $450 for 2010 providing there's no recession, then please come and join the discussion at:

http://www.macobserver.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=7

I swear that's the a-hole who cut me off on Belmont Ave. a few years ago! No, you don't remember a face that cuts you off even three years later! Yep, that's the guy! It pisses me off he can't drive for sh*t and he sucks at his job.

Analysts are the ultimate in wannabe-insiders that could never hack it at the companies they're supposed to be monitoring. If an industry is the NFL, they are the gym teachers.

And you can take THAT to the bank.

Please let us know about the new slim macbooks...we are very anxious and finding it increasingly difficult to not buy mac laptops now...

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