A 9to5mac reader asked SJobs@apple.com if future Macs would support BluRay. While not flatly denying the possibility, Jobs certainly didn’t give out much hope in the form of his famous “stay tuned” responses.
Jobs did offer up a helpful alternative from his good friends at Google: YouTube.
The NYTimes is also reporting that Steve Jobs responded to a question about the Pulitzer winning cartoonist being rejected from the App Store:
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Apple’s MobileMe is also an official way to share created movies. I believe it supports HD size, albiet at 99/yr.
Not everyone has mobile me, let alone want to pay the ridiculous 99 bucks a month
Mobileme isn’t 99 a month.
MobileMe is 99 bucks a year, not per month. You get another 60 days for free if you’re a new member. I have no trouble paying that. The sync feature alone is worth the money. I update the address book on my computer or phone and it’s reflected on every other device I own in less than 30 seconds. Only sync product I’ve ever used that actually works.
Actually it’s only $69/yr if you buy on Amazon. They mail you a code in a box. Works every time.
For $69/mo it’s a steal. Just wish iDisk was faster and larger.
$69/month is not a steal, it’s robbery against consumers.
Can you not read? It’s $69 a YEAR. Y E A R. wow….
Settle down now kid
its not his fault that there are people commenting who are complete imbeciles. a kindergardener wouldn’t have made the same mistake. and cartman is a cool name, if you’re a kid, a 10 year old kid.
I will call people kids who are disrespectful.
if you are offended, then you your self must be a kid
i’m not a kid, buddy
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I’m curious… I was just at my local Best Buy checking out the iPad and new MBP on the “Apple table” and had a Apple rep who came from an Apple store but is now an official Apple Consultant or what ever title is given to those folks. Anyway, long story short, she was talking to a customer about Mobile Me and 99/year and I said you can get it cheaper from Amazon and she said, Amazon doesn’t sell it because it’s not a product, it’s a service. So I typed Amazon.com in the new MBP on display and pulled up MobileMe for $69.00…
She still insisted that all you get in the box is a registration code to sign-in to Mobile Me. My question is this, are the “used” Mobile Me available at Amazon are registrations that are being resold after the original owner bought new tried for a few months and is reselling the registration code that doesn’t have a full 12 months service and the “new” Mobile Me are a full 12 month registration code because they were never used?
Can someone enlighten me as to why Amazon is selling new and used registration codes to allow access to Mobile Me? Makes me wonder if I’m getting ripped if I “buy” from Amazon… am I? Has anyone who has Mobile Me purchased it at a discounted price through Amazon and had no problems using it to get on Mobile Me and had Mobile Me to use for a full year? Thanks.
Hey genius, it’s kind of bad form to go into a store, interrupt a sales person trying to make a living, and tell their customer to buy a product somewhere else. Yes, the MobileMe from Amazon is $30 cheaper, but Amazon doesn’t have a storefront and sales representatives to help customers in person. Get a clue.
Agreed. I don;t get why kids think its cute to walk in stores and interrupt sales people from doing… well their job.
you may think your helping but the truth is, you are not.
mind your own business.
If I were the manager and I saw you do this, I’d kick you out for interrupting my sales. You are NOT the sales person.
If I were the manager and I saw you do this, I’d kick you out for interrupting my sales. You are NOT the sales person.
Only problem is thats just the first year, after 1 year, you pay apple’s rate of $99/year, OR start fresh (which will mean creating a new email etc).
The sync is nice, but iDisk is a steaming pile of I-probably-can’t-say-it-here. Maybe it depends on your proximity in cyberspace to whatever passes for the iDisk server whatever-it-is, but I found it almost completely useless (I am in Australia). Other folks manage this problem vastly better (eg, Dropbox), so I gave MobileMe the flick before my 60 free days elapsed.
If Apple can sort out their iDisk problems, I will return…
Well, I think not everyone has a high speed internet connection
YouTube still doesn’t support 1080p tho does it?
Actually YouTube does support 1080p now
BluRay? Are you nuts?
Are you?
He’s is making fun of one of Jobs’ recent mail response to a question from a Apple customer/fan who asked Steve Jobs if Apple was deliberately holding back iPads for Europeans/every country beside USA…
If my MacBook Pro had Blu-ray, I’d burn exactly zero Blu-rays. Only video professionals would REALLY need a Blu-ray burner. They should try external burners, I figure. I’m a web designer, FWIW.
You REALLY don’t need a mac now do you?
haha you’re great
You’re an idiot.
Actully you are. There are three needs in life
everything else is a want
1. Robert never said he needed a Mac. You clearly did not understand what he typed.
2. There are many more needs in life than the three you listed. How about air? Sleep?
That said, I agree with Robert. I do not see many uses for Blu Ray on a mac. Maybe if someone is using a MacMini as a HTPC, then it would be useful. Watching it on a 27″ iMac or similar sized monitor would be a stretch. And on a laptop? That just seems ludicrous. Using a disc for backup anymore seems ridiculous as well.
Uhh.. CartMan09, you’re the idiot bringing in the concept of “needs” and “wants”. We’re talking about laptops here, not about when we’re gonna get our next meal.
Stop trolling and get outta your parents’ basement already.. You’ve plagued this article with too many of your wretched responses.
I have a bluray on my PC over a year, I have never burn any bluray disc and only watched movie twice on it. Bluray is best for TV, not for computer IMHO. Unless all software are on Bluray which is unlikely, also a lot of software can be downloaded from internet which really not much use for dvd either. I hardly burn or use DVD either.
As long as the screen’s resolution supports it, it will be fine on any size.
If movie watching is bad on computers, then why do people download movies from itunes? (Not counting apple TV)
Seriously, does anybody do that? Download to watch on a computer screen? Come on…
Maybe you are too poor to have a 42 inch LED computer screen? This is what i have
I watch most of my movies on computer now – I find its less disruptive to the rest of the family when I don’t subject them to my taste in films. While its probably not as comfortable as watching on TV, it does the job. I’m really looking forward to getting an iPad so I can take the films with me and watch them in bed!
What do you call the movies on the iTunes store?
your forgetting that computer screen sizes are larger now. (my laptop is 18″) plus you can hook it up to an external display
So you don’t burn DVDs or BluRay disks. Well, good for you. However the rest of the world has pretty much moved to HD camcorders for their homevideo recording. They can upload their footage to their Macs just fine. They can edit their HD footage on their Macs just fine. And when the editing is done they want to bring the final video over to a friends house and show him their masterpiece on his 42″ HDTV. Oops! Houston we have a problem. No way to output their final HD video to BluRay on a Mac!
You really think YouTube is a good answer to that problem?
My use of the burner has dropped over the years as most people have gotten high speed connections… We actually produce a yearly family video for the grandparents that is now distributed over the internet …High speed internet and the ever increasing speeds of high speed internet are doing away with my physical medium needs…
folks,
i need blu ray capabilities on my mac. lots of my friends does NOT ( and do not how) use the internet as way to watch private content (90 % of this content is photos converted to dia shows) wich i like to produce with ilife… Btw i buyed one of those fancy 720p photo cameras wich produces nice pics displayed on the tv flatscreens… and my friends say oh can give that on cd ?
so my questios are:
- steve has the ilife/digital hub concept reached it’s end before HD ?
- steve in response to your last statement on blu ray 2008, do you still have problems with implemeting blu ray (btw itunes is still not a cocoa app -> no 64 bit…) ?
i am very happy to use the apple platform and it’s advantages… but there was also this apple ad… about 1984… apple gets more and more political..
The 1984 Apple commercial is the biggest irony in the high tech world as far as I’m concerned.
Apple aspires to be exactly Big Brother.
Why no blu-ray? Simple: because Steve Jobs wants you to get your movies from iTunes. Why no Flash/cross-platform languages? Because Steve Jobs wants you to get all your apps from the App Store.
Every content and apps you get would be through Apple.
This would be true if youtube was like hulu, but its not. 95% of the videos are crap.
Well I think every one does not a high speed internet connection for using Youtube and a blu ray burner is useful only for video professionals.So this is not a convenient option to use You tube.
Or consumers who want to burn family movies in HD
there are HD camcorders out there people
We shoot our videos in high quality 1080p with our expensive camcorders. Sure Youtube supports “1080p” but its quality is terrible compared to the original video. This is understandable since Youtube has to compress the video so it can load faster for a regular computer. But sometimes we want people to see our hard work at its original high quality–the quality that we paid good money to have. If Apple doesn’t want to bring Blu-ray to their iMacs or Macbooks–fine. But at least have the iMac be compatible with an external blu-ray burner–for watching videos and burning blu-rays. Final Cut Pro isn’t enough–I want that support on iMovie as well.
+1 BlackJesus
And what about people who own a good collection of BD, and don’t want to buy extra BD player/burner and spend hours ripping?
Also, why always answering with:
” you can use this or that instead” or “if Apple doesn’t support BluRay, there is a good reason for it”
Yes, Steve, why not be honest, and say
“I don’t want BluRay cuz Sony made it and as for my iTunes plan, it might get in the way. I won’t put any, ever in any of the Macs, and I couldn’t care less about those who may be annoyed”
+1
BluRay burners in iMacs should really be a no-brainer. When you can edit HD video on your Mac just fine, it just boggles the mind why Apple doesn’t allow people to OUTPUT their edited HD videos to the one medium that can store HD video: BluRay.
YouTube? Is that your best answer to the lack of BluRay in Macs, Steve? Are you nuts?
+2 BlackJesus
I hate putting so much time and effort into underwater video through FCP & DVDSP only to have to downscale it to burn on a standard DVD. Update DVDSP already so we can author and burn onto BD and show our work the way we intend it to be. Please!!!
someone needs to let steve know that 1080p =/ blu-ray. resolution is only 1 part of the HD equation.
By the way. Before some kids on here start telling me “oh but you can buy HD movies from iTunes.” If I’m spending +20 on a movie, I want the movie equipped with all the additional features (subtitles, extra languages, deleted scenes, etc). I have parents and relatives who don’t really speak or understand English so this would be a huge convenience for them. The day iTunes starts including subtitles and extra languages with their HD movies is the day I’ll start buying them because I know that I’ll be making a solid investment. But then…there’s also the limitation of the movie being stuck to my iPhone, iPad, and Macbook (Which is great!–Blu-Ray can’t play on iphone or macbook). What if I want to watch it on the big screen? Sure–waste another 200 plus dollars on an AppleTv. But what if I want to bring with me so I can watch the movie with friends at their house?
So many problems. My perfect (perhaps illegal) solution to this problem is buying my favorite films in Blu-ray and praying that they come with DVD as well (not digital copy–too much protection). That way I can watch it on my HDTV–I can play the DVD anywhere–and I can watch it on my iphone/ipad using Handbrake (with subtitles!). Of course if the Blu-Ray doesn’t come with any DVD…there’s always Piratebay = )
My congratulations!!! Great point!!! I agree 110%.
One more point is that Blu-Ray Movies comes with FULL HD resolution 1920x1080p very different from any kind of HD 720i.
To compare Youtube and iTunes with Blu-Ray midia is the same to go to the cinema withoug glasses, at least in my case that are almost blind. I am soo disapointing with this Steve’s statement. “May be, he would like to compare the iPad with Kindle”. It is almost the same by meaning Youtube HD to Blu-Ray midia with also 7.1 channel surround.
Best post on this topic. Well done!
Sorry Uncle Jobs, I forgot to ask if you would like to compare an old betele with a Jaguar?!?! Come on!!! This is the worst excuse I have ever heard.
So, disapointing!!! So, annouing!!!
Please, does the MacBook Super Drive comes with a Super Fast 4G Wi-Max connection?
And, by the way, these release of the “OLD” MBP 2010, that has the same Model number, as equal last release of 2009… Did not bring USB 3.0, Sata 6 GBs, 16 MB RAM, neither the Light Peak.
In my opinion, take the Super Drive for yourself and give more space to have a RAID 0,1 with two SSD and/or let me upgrade the battery life for 16/20 hours.
As you said we donot need the Super Drive!!!
May be next time, if I am still a live we could enjoy some external Blu-ray connected by a Light Peak unique cable… let´s see… one more year waitting to Mr. King of the Hill, or maybe we could all shift to some Hackintosh.
It is very sad to listen to this things ! Once upon a time we could use and we would have the best tools in the bussiness , now i think apple only sells laptops and other machines just to say they sell …..we are stoped in time with apple unfortunatly and it is very sad this mentality!!! i´ve been working with mac since the last 13 years and now i they compare youtube with a blue-ray drive!!!! the most important think is to sell iphones and ipods “lets forget all of us that bought all this years computers from apple..” this could be a setence from apple nowadays!
once upon a time it was a special day to buy a new mac!!!
Mr. jobs is getting his Butt kicked in the laptop arena and that won’t change unless he goes bluray. Steve lets too many of his personal feelings get involved in decision makeing and it really hurts Apple.
IMO, Jobs’ personal decisions help Apple much more than not.
Really? It took them 4 years to get multitasking on the iphone
Someone can’t count. 2010 – 2007 = 3 years. And aside from special application like pandora or chat there really is no need for multitasking on an interface designed to show one application at a time.
Some punk needs to show respect
Lol in what universe? Sorry, but no.
There are very good reasons why the Mac doesn’t support Bluray ( like, I dunno, the f’ing screens are not big enough to display it properly!!!!! )
The fact that other pc brands squeeze it in alongside the 5th USB port and hdmi and all the other pointless laptop features, doesn’t make it standard or “the right way to go”. Watching 1080p on a screen smaller than 24 inches is impractical and pointless, and since that’s 90% of all monitors, and 100% of all laptops, its pretty damn worthless.
Bluray truly is nothing but a bag of hurt, and people need to get over it. Who the hell wants to sit there for 2 hours and burn a $3 blank disc while it destroys your CPU and erodes the laser quality with each burn? Reliability of BluRay burns is poor across the board, and way too expensive and time consuming to make any sense. In an hour I can take HD video off my cam, make adjustments, and send it up to MobileMe. Then I can send it in full quality to anyone I want. Way better than mailing a bluray disc (if you have to used the post office, you’ve failed).
Not that difficult…
> like, I dunno, the f’ing screens are not big enough to display it properly!!!!!
Speak for yourself. My 27″ iMac is so very ready for BluRay. Actually I use it as a TV (via EyeTV) and I watch movies on my little big beast.
I agree that burning a physical disc is not necessary nowadays, BUT being able to WATCH your movies on BluRay is a different one. I wouldn’t mind if BluRay would be an expensive BTO option or made possible via an external drive. But at least it should be possible. Somehow.
Mr. jobs is getting his Butt kicked in the laptop arena and that won’t change unless he goes bluray. Steve lets too many of his personal feelings get involved in decision makeing and it really hurts Apple.
Hrmmm. Interesting, if you want to watch HD on a Mac you need to use Youtube, which runs primarily on FLASH.
Watching 1080p FLASH based videos on Youtube makes my 2.53 Ghz Macbook Pro go crazy. The CPU cranks up to 98%, it gets very hot, and noisy as hell.
Thanks Steve!
Youtube will move to HTML5 very soon for it’s video. Youtube has discontinued support for IE6, Google are all for the open web (well-almost the whole Chrome+Flash thing goes against that entirely), they have a beta ready and HTML5 is very public now.
I predict Vimeo will make HTML5 default first (their beta implementation is much further along) and YouTube won’t be much further behind.
Youtube will be primarily HTML5 by mid-2011. Vimeo will go HTML5 this year.
Um, no, it’s all HTML5 now. I haven’t watched a flash video in youtube in over a year, including HD.
I always suspected that Steve Jobs must be half blind and deaf if he can’t detect any difference between Bluray quality and that heavily compressed piece of crap called YouTubeHD or iTunes HD!!!!
His answer certainly proofs my theory.
Who cares about bluray drives in Macs. That’s not the main problem. BD drives can be bought anywhere.
But not even offering simple bluray support in their dvd player in this year 2010 is a major embarrassment for the self-proclaimed “leader” in video content creation!
His answer is a slap in the face of every serious home theater enthusiast!
SupEr Serious Home video Nerd! You should have your own cartoon.
GTF over yourself.
Show respect kid
Blu Ray is still freaking expensive…..not everybody can buy Blu Ray disc so Steve Jobs is waiting for the price of Blu Ray to go down to the level of DVD before implementing them onto the Macs which i see it a good move.
and not everyone can afford a high speed internet connection for watching the crappy you tube videos, yet alone afford a mac
“This was a mistake that’s being fixed,” … Good to know apps are getting rejected by mistake.
Blu-Ray is Sony’s baby and when it comes to design quality and price points they are more Apple’s direct competition than Dell or HP are. And if that’s it, it would be more understandable and excusable to me than most other reasons for now blu-ray.
Stuff like this pissed me off no end.
YouTube is a complimentary technology, not a replacement.
“Brandor” should reply with “So does Windows”.
blueray is a thing of the past. why would anyone want to burn something on a blueray to distribute it when you have things like YouTube and MobileMe? I’m glad Jobs hasn’t put blueray in Macs, it would hold us back from stepping toward the future.
Okay, if there was any doubt there’s something other than technology in this decision, this makes it official. “YouTube now supports HD Video” is a comment that we in the Royal Navy* refer to as “Grasping At Straws”.
I miss the days when Apple was at the forefront of things like this. Remember the commercial “Dinosaurs”? Where the Dad and kid wanted to play the dinosaurs CD but they couldn’t get anything to work on their PC, and the kid eventually puts on his coat, walking to the door and the dad asks, “Where are you going?” “to the Krandals” “Why?” “They have a Mac.”
I’ve had a few clients forgo a MBP purchase because there’s no BD support. They like the idea of a MacMini as a home entertainment heart but there’s no BD support there either, nor native HDMI plug.
I know there are bypasses but you’ve got to look at it from a simpler perspective. These simple things kill sales. As an Apple stockholder, I’m not happy about that.
Example given; ages ago, my first car was a Nissan KingCab (the hardbody model; it was before they really gave the little truck a name). When it was time to get something new, I told the guy at Nissan I wouldn’t be getting another truck from them. Why? No cupholders in it. Simple omission like that was going to keep me from buying their $15K truck. Were there aftermarket solutions? Sure, but none worked as well or looked as good as something that came stock with the vehicle. So I moved on to another brand/vehicle.
(FWIW, I’ve got the same litmus test for cars now, but it’s having some sort of iPod/iPhone connectivity; at least a 1/8 plug so I can listen without buying shitty adapters.)
So, bottom line; dismissing BD (for whatever reason Steve; for goodness’ sakes, you’re on the BD board ! You’re with Disney, who tries to sell BD discs ! I am stunningly perplexed as to why Apple doesn’t support it! WE SHOULDA HAD IT BEFORE ANYONE ELSE IN THE INDUSTRY!)
* I’m not in the Royal Navy; it’s a play on a movie quote. Bonus points if you can name it.
YouTube as a replacement for a BlueRay burner in your Mac? Sorry, Steve, but that’s just ridiculous.
If you are a video pro making an HD project for a customer they want it delivered on a physical medium.
“Just search for it on YouTube” ain’t gonna cut it, Steve. And you damn well know it!
Really…how important is Blu-Ray? How many people use Blu-Ray on a daily basis? It’s called the internet. And networking. And hard drives. And SD cards. Say CD/DVD to someone. Say Blu-Ray to someone else. Which will have greater recognition/impact? No one needs Blu-Ray.
The “If I don’t need it no one does” argument doesn’t hold water.
I just gave you one example of why we need BluRay!
I watch bluray discs all the time! And so do most of my movie buff friends here in Europe.
Wake me up when any of your YouTube or iTunes crap carries 1080p at a decent bit rate plus 7.1 surround sound, or becomes watchable on a large Full HD screen or projector.
YouTube and iTunes movies are for people with extremely low quality standard!
“Job’s personal decisions help Apple much more than not”
Even though I credit Jobs for many of the great things they have in their story today, his decisions are not always the best. The reality is Apple is still 8 percent in the computer market-share–which is amazing compared to the early 2000′s. But it could be more if he gave more options to his potential customers.
I sincerely believe Apple’s exponential growth during these past few years was due to their switch to Intel gives the Mac the ability to run programs like Parallels or Boot Camp. It made new customers who have never had an iMac/Macbook feel more secure about their purchase. In other words, it gave new customers a choice.
I’m not asking Apple to include Blu-ray in every iMac or Macbook–but at least give customers the choice to add it to their purchase. If Apple didn’t make it possible to run Windows on a Mac, I probably would’ve never bought that Macbook back in 2007. Apple’s decision to limit their customer’s choices–no HDMI in 27 inch iMac (having a resolution over 1080p for what? an 720 itunes movie?), no camera in iPad (smart business move since they waste less money which leads to more profit, but still sucks), no Google Navigator on iPhone (Google even announced in public that they would design one for Apple if they asked, I don’t care if they turned into recent enemies),
I’ll end by saying that even if Apple truly believes they killed the floppy drive, the real reason it died was because a larger and faster way of transferring data (Cd’s and Dvd’s) came along. A $20 plus iTunes 720p movie with no subtitles or additional languages is not larger or faster in any way. That method may have worked into convincing us into downloading mp3′s instead of Cd’s but it’s not going to work this time.
BD (Blu-Ray Disc) will never really take off IMO…at least not in the way DVD did. Digital distribution is where it’s headed. After all, there’s a reason why the iPad lacks an optical drive (other than size, weight, battery, etc.)…
Blu-ray disc is being adopted at twice the rate of DVD. When you compare DVD and blu-ray at the same points in their lifespan, blu-ray has double the market share DVD had at the same time.
DVD was NOT an overnight success. It took DVD 6 FULL years to finally go over 50% market share. DVD’s sales took off in the 4th and 5th year and really spiked in the 6th year to make that 51% number happen. Blu-ray is only 3.5 years old now.
iPad has no optical drive because its not a fully functional computer replacement. It’s a companion to a computer.
Digital distribution may be the future, but its not the near future. The vast majority of internet connections in the WORLD are not fast enough. The US is even farther behind the rest of the world, with an average connection speed of 3-5Mbps. Thats not nearly enough to stream blu-ray quality video, which can go as high as 45Mbps H.264. Not to mention the fact that blu-ray uses lossless or sometimes uncompressed audio.
For digital distribution to become the norm, speeds would have to increase dramatically, caps would have to be removed, and people would have to be willing to take a very visually noticeable step backwards in video quality. And as long as Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, Verizon, AT&T, Cablevision, etc. all have a video business to protect, they’re absolutely not going to change their ways to allow online video (a model they can’t profit from) to become standard. The only way ISPs will ever do that is if some sort of regulation is put in place that spins video providers and ISPs off separate from each other, or some sort of bill or regulation that forces companies to finally allow competition, not be set in their current ways of one phone company and one cable company.
Either way, BD will never gain majority market share. And I never mentioned online streaming – it is but one of many potential business models.
Regardless of what happens, Big Media has to adapt to the internet and come up with a new, internet-oriented business model or face extinction. It’s Darwinism in action.
And tablets like the iPad may not be ready to be used as sole computing devices…yet. But it’s only a matter of time. Personally, I’d be very reluctant to buy a tablet that has an optical drive. Even morso if its a BD drive…
Steve Jobs needs to quit Apple altogether and retire in peace.
Having Jobs still in Apple is like a prune–all dried up yet still edible.
RETIRE ALREADY JOBS.
That’s just about the dummest comment I’ve ever read. And that says a lot!
Go take a look at the stats for Apple before Steve’s return to the company and after. That’s all you need to know, really.
I guess that’s why he was named the most valuable, most successful CEO of the entire _DECADE_?
Why he was named the most powerful manager?
And many more honors…..
You are SOOOOO clever…. Now go back to mummy and ask for a cookie and a glass of milk.
Well, I guess this basically says Final Cut Studio people are throwing their money away. Youtube HD is not an option for people who need the output to look correct for presentation. And for those of us involved in pre-production, an easy way to get your show to a local cable network for distribution is unmolested HD, which allows us to take our show to HighDef, now that our local cable company has upgraded it’s formats. Do I want to run hard drives back and forth across town to accomplish that? Hell no. It’s what I do now, but I’d love to see that stop.
No matter what you do, YouTube is, and never will be, a broadcast ready format. Do my needs reflect those of a large group of apple users? No, but we are an audience Apple used to work hard to lobby. We shell out $1,000 for FCS in droves. We grab up the larger monitors and upgrade hardware more frequently.
But we’re coming up on being ridiculous. How is it on the PC side you can get full support at minimal cost? And I don’t buy that “it’s so expensive” Yeah, right. You can get a combo BD/DVDRW on the PC side for less then $90, so on a $1,200 laptop, you’ve got to be kidding me that it isn’t an option.
When I record video, produce video, and want people to see video, I want them to see it the way it was intended. Sound effects correct. Picture quality at a high bit rate that reflects the work done. I don’t want people to judge work by how it looks in a super compressed format with MP3 audio! Imagine saying to an artist in the early nineties “who needs CDs? Just re-record your stuff on Cassette. You can overwrite whatever you do, and people still get the point..”
Great post. Agree with you 100%!
I know 2 people that can read the email, and you sir are not one of them.. The original question to Steve was about HOME HD VIDEO like for showing videos to friends and family NOT for professionals. Steve knows YouTube is not for professionals but is completely reasonable for home videos of littler Cindy’s 4th birthday party so he responded in kind. Certainly there are applications for it( blu Ray burner) but most of the use cases can be solved with a home player, iTunes, and YouTube. If you are a professional video editor using FCP you probably have very special hardware just for pressing discs. True professionals don’t need to sit and wait for discs to burn.
The problem for video professionals still stands.
O.K. smartass, let’s translate this e-mail exchange into situation pro for you:
Q: I, as well as most video professionals I know have HD camcorders now. The Mac has been a wonderful platform for working with HD video of corporate events, weddings, concerts, etc. while retaining high quality. I was just wondering if you have any plans for Bluray support in the Mac for those of us who want to be able to share HD video with our clients in a simple workflow.
Steve Jobs: Intel Mac/bootcamp/Windows now supports BD.
Steve is not implementing Bluray because in the end it cuts into his profit which is more important than what the customers needs are.
I was actually getting close to converting my PC life into Apple. But with Steve Jobs latest round of higher-than-thou attitude toward, well, everything not within his little, elite, 8% of the world, domain…I will stick with PC and screw the I-phone too. May Apple and Jobs betamax themselves to oblivion.
yup…getting REAL full of themselves and it will come back to haunt them.
This isn’t about how much anyone would use Blu Ray or whether it should actually be on the platform but for the price you’re paying just to get a Mac, how can you justify Macs not having Blu Ray? The only justifiable excuse Steve Jobs really has for not offering Blu Ray is the fact that the idiot Blu Ray consortium is continually adding to the spec and given the confluence of video trends and the uncertainty of what’s going to happen, Blu Ray isn’t the most stable thing to add. Who wants to add a draft Blu Ray spec just like we had draft wireless n for all these years. Obviously Blu Ray is expensive. We still don’t know what’s going on with 3D Blu Rays. Steve wants to bank on digital delivery because that’s where iTunes bread is buttered. Video is such a splintered market right now, everyone is finding a way to make money but there isn’t a dominant trend or format to rule them all. Honestly, Macs need Blu Ray but they also need USB 3.0 and I hope that by next year, Macs can get Blu Ray. But I’m not going to hold my breath.
The thing that really ticks me off is that I need a new laptop right now and I love the MAC OS but for the price of a 13 inch MacBook Pro, I could easily get a Wintel 7 laptop with a Blu Ray Drive and a bigger screen. Such agony with flawed choices…..
Is Steve out of his effing mind?
“HD” is available on YouTube??!?!?!???!?!?!?? WHAT?!?!?!?
Inane statements like that make me wonder if Steve has never seen real HD before..? It certainly doesn’t sound like it! CLEARLY he does exactly ZERO work in HD content creation!
YouTube as a alternative HD distribution source? … JFC Steve… GET SERIOUS.
For a big ticket laptop I’m sorry, but Blu-ray isn’t a nice to have feature; it’s a necessary addition to a company’s “state of the art” “best of the best” product.
Is the MBP NOT a Best in Class line of products? To be best in class you have to offer the latest, greatest hardware… and the product line simply doesn’t.
Dislike Sony all you want Steve, but YOU do not determine the needs or wants of the consumers.
Apple sells consumer electronics & without Blue-ray as an INTERNAL HARDWARE ALTERNATIVE to the SuperDrive THIS CONSUMER is not interested in the new MBP lineup..
These notebooks are far too similar to the 2009 hardware to warrant an upgrade. It’s the hardware equivalent of a point update to the OS.
Thanks for not listening to the consumer’s AGAIN.
***For the Fanboys***
All you “Steve Jobs can do no wrong” automatons are free to disagree and flame me for my strong feelings that CHOICE OF FEATURES SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE CONSUMERS.
I would guess that most of you don’t even disagree with me, you just don’t like it when someone tells you that your messiah is a stubborn, self richeous a$$hat with a corporate agenda. The fact remains that we cannot publish HD content to the world’s accepted standard for HD playback out of the box… AND NO, an external Blu-ray drive is a SHIT solution so stop using it as your standard go-to.
Steve doesn’t care to add Blu-ray because he knows mindless Apple fanboys will buy another DVD MBP. He knows you stopped thinking for yourselves years ago and he knows you’ll simply follow the crowd as per usual. So go on, start spouting your ridiculous justifications for why the choice has AGAIN been unavailable to those of us who want it… Those of us who would even overpay for the hardware; just as we’ve done for Apple hardware since the company’s inception.
***I await the flames***
Reread the email, it’s about home video distribution, not professional content creation or home theatre setups.
You doof. We’ve all read the email. Job’s basic comment boils down to what he has said all along: there is no planned blueray support or machines coming with Blueray as a built in option.
Yes, we can do other things. And yes, those of us who do it professionally can send the content out to be burned, FCS does create perfect HD quality output, it just doesn’t take the next steps.
And, as long as Mac’s don’t offer the option of Apple provided burners or at least readers, then that’s where you’re at.
“oh, but only family and friends”… uh, I work with wedding photographers who now hand out bluray discs of weddings “Your HD copy” Do you want people to start uploading their whole wedding to Youtube in 10 minute blocks? And maybe it’s just me, but that’s kind of a tacky way to keep a memory
There are lots of reasons people want bluray. But yes, as long as Apple takes the attitude that they don’t want to support it, then they slowly move themselves into the camp that is further and further behind.
Thank you Jpeb. (almost typed as jpeg)
It’s not just home theater people that want Blu-ray! It’s useful as a backup medium, or for your self-created content, for watching movies of course and (unofficially) you may want to “wrongfully appropriate” a good HD movie or 50…
Fact is, we don’t even get the option. Regardless of our intended uses the OPTION to add that upgrade isn’t even ours to ponder…
I’m frustrated with Steve/Apple denying what the rest of the industry as accepted as standardized hardware simply because they don’t think we the consumer need it. I’ll decide for myself, thank you very much… Its not like it costs Apple loads more money to stock a separate optical drive. The drives even have the same connector.. so the labor cost and hardware requirements don’t change…
I really don’t understand why we’re not even given the option.
Is everyone who has a HD camcorder supposed to upload there videos to youtube or even mobilMe? NO.
Some of us just want to share our videos with friends and families and NOT the whole world.
Apple should include the BluRay option on there computers for the rest of us. Im not buying into the MobilMe or the Youtube crowd.
Steve jobs vision of you tube is skateboarding dogs and playing in the water.
Letter to Steave Jobs:
Are you nuts?
LOL
Those who are saying blu-ray is not as popuar as DVD was at the same time.
Tell me something, how old were you at this time 10 years ago (when DVDs were just becoming poplar)
if you were bellow the age of 5 then I’m sorry but you have no right to be talking
Wow that’s a really stupid response by mr Jobs. Wtf, Youtube’s “1080p” has got a bit rate of a dead HIV infected rabbit. Honestly, did he say that to suck up to Google, or what?
Honestly, that’s a really bad answer, why not just tout iTunes HD tv shows?
Man, he really is retarded.
Sure, there really isn’t a reason to bring bluray into the mac sphere, but really, YOUTUBE?! W T F?!
So, YouTube is a source for all those Blu-Ray discs being sold in stores then? Even the ones iTunes isn’t carrying? I’ll keep that in mind, I guess.
Of course! Every movie not presented in 1080P on Itunes with lossess DTSMA/TrueHD Audio is available on Youtube. I missed that altogether, but you’re right, that’s the point. Who needs Bluray discs when there isn’t a movie worthwhile that isn’t available on Itunes in full HD with all the extra features.
I’ve always noticed the ability to listen to director’s commentary or get 5.1 DTS audio along with 1080P from my youtube videos.
There is no comparison between Blu-ray and “1080p” YouTube video. Quality depends on FAR more than the simple number of pixels in the image.
I’ve been saying that the various emails attributed to Steve Jobs are surely fake, and this proves it. There is no way that with his experience in technology he would say something as insanely stupid as this.
Thanks for you posting….