BlackBerry maker Research In Motion (RIM) has launched a call for economy in smartphone application design.
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BlackBerry maker Research In Motion (RIM) has launched a call for economy in smartphone application design.
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The “iPhone is evil” mantra.
It remains me of Michel Dell saying “give back the money to shareholders” and Palm’s CEO “they could not enter the market”… not to mention Ballmer suggesting the iPhone’s failure. (This last got top level: Ballmer said nothing about the iPad, but Bill did!)
Apple is been blame for the future of the internet doom… due to greedness of telcos that do not invest wisely.
Since all of the keyboard experts have the answer how come they have not themselves fixed the problem yet. Because they don’t know jack that’s why.
So what are these magical bandwidth-saving email and attachment viewing features that RIM devices use?
And how exactly do get “three paying Blackberry browsing customers for every one other customer”? Is it because Blackberry users do less browsing due to an inferior browser experience, per chance? That’s hardly a feature to boast about.
App developers for the iPhone are encouraged to make their apps as efficient as possible, in terms of file size, memory usage, code reusage and bandwidth usage. To make apps fast and user friendly developers are already very restrictive with their use of bandwidth, so it’s not quite the “deep data greed of the new data-centric smartphone generation” that Lazaridis describes. Doesn’t most of the bandwidth usage on the iPhone come from web browsing, a pretty standard activity these days? That’s down to the nature of the internet and our modern way of life, not inefficient applications.
This issue is a call to mobile networks to improve infrastructure to keep up with demand. Lazaridis would have us back in the dark ages (at least until RIM comes out with some better products and 140,000 apps for their own device, I think he’d change his tune then).
I think what he’s actually saying in a round-a-bout way is that Apple should sell fewer iPhones instead of the increasing amount they already are.
Bad Apple!… Bad Apple!
uhmmmm, conserve bandwidth?!? maybe they build better faster stronger towers to handle the capacity requirements. Geez dude.
well actually this is because the blackberrys browser SUCKS to work on and all of the interface seems halfway done and all of the apps cant even come close to the quality of the iphone apps, wow RIM get it right!!!
To RIM’s defence they did spend a lot of resources to succesfully compress emails, web pages etc in order to keep bandwith use of their phones down. Back in the days this was needed in order to get a reasonable speed. Now this is needed to keep bandwith down, period. While it’s a great feature, we all now what happens when RIM has issues on their side: no e-mail or internet on your BB. Obviously there’s something to be said for both solutions…
I am sure RIM has intentionally worked to keep their bandwidth down, but it is not a result of charity or for the good of bandwidth everywhere. They are a company that is motivated by profit. Therefore their motivation in limiting bandwidth was probably so that emails could come through more quickly, or to keep their carriers happy. But not because they are more noble then Apple. It is the same with Apple making eco friendly computers. Although it sounds noble, it is motivated by the fact that they know it will help them sell more computers. RIM’s CEO’s comments are also motivated by profit as he attempts to make his competition look evil.
What LizardMan fails to mention is the increased cost consumers will have to pay to have more access to better networks. That is, of course, someone can develop a less expensive way to transmit more data, more securely, and faster.
Uh, build bigger networks.
You also drive a V8 truck I presume ….
And how is this is different from wired internet access in the early Nineties? Or rural broadband in the US today?
Telcos should not be let off the hook for failing to keep their equipment technologically adequate. We certainly pay them enough for their services for them to maintain their infrastructure.
Use my Blackberry, eh? It sucks on the internet so you won’t want to use it and draw so much bandwidth.
Rim can’t keep up and loosing market share to Apple is now inevitable. They have been unable to offer an acceptable browser experience and they are failing to attract app developers
This guy is talking absolute tosh! a) The networks have had 15 years to get it right, but they put greed ahead of social and business responsibility and focused entirely on milking people for 160 character messages that use about 10,000 times less bandwidth than a voice call and 100,000 less than a video call or MMS. They should have known (as they promised in their early 3G advertisements) that once smartphones gained true multimedia capability (LG Viewty, then iPhone) the networks would strain. No, they just sat on their billions. b) Google understand this already and are building their own – starting with fibre to the home. Next, they will offer their own wireless network. As they say, great companies succeed on the failures of their competitors. c) In the mean time, Apple, Nokia, Samsung, LG etc, keep on straining the networks until they wake up. Don’t degrade YouTube videos, keep them streaming at good quality. Force the providers to pull their fingers out and invest in national LTE. Rant over.
Perhaps RIM should look in their own country and notice that Canadian cities don’t have this problem. Why do you think that is? Could it be AT&T being cheap with building bandwidth infrastructure? Nah.
I’m not a techy by any means, but wouldn’t distributing the iPhone to other carriers solve the issue? Ya, it takes up a huge chunk of the bandwidth, but it’s just AT&T’s bandwidth. How many other carriers are out there with their own streams? The problem is exclusivity, IMO.
BlackBerry handsets use significant compression technologies in the BIS service. The Blackberry will consume less data page for page no matter how good the browser is. The iphone and Android handsets use IP data the same as a laptop, without any compression.
Blackberry’s stuff 10 pounds of lousy web experience into a 2 pound bag, and it flies through like 2 pounds.
I’m not a techy by any means, but wouldn’t distributing the iPhone to other carriers solve the issue? Ya, it takes up a huge chunk of the bandwidth, but it’s just AT&T’s bandwidth. How many other carriers are out there with their own streams? The problem is exclusivity, IMO.
RIM makes such buggy OS’s released on inferior hardware (coming from and experienced BB Tour user, not an iPhone fanboy). Try surfing on the BB browser or try their lousy, buggy apps, or watch a 5 minute phone reboot. RIM’s motto, Make a phone bad enough, no one will use the bandwidth….
I am using a Tour (minus the browsing) and it is perfect since day one as a business phone, best possible keyboard, excellent email and messenger, impeccable sound (best speaker) never had a reboot.
I have no clue what you are talking about and probably you have no clue to.
Apparently you are tone deaf – you say “minus the browsing” – that’s the whole point! Using the BB browser its a buggy slow pig.
He said buggy OS. The browser is not the OS. Retard.
Well let’s see, three BB Tours returned due to defective trackballs, updating apps has wiped the OS three times, A timed reboot equals 5 minutes of reboot time. 3 months old. Nice Phone RIM. Let engineers decide when a phone and OS is ready, not your marketing people.
The “not enough bandwidth” mantra is a cornerstone of the tech business.
We all have our various examples – my favorite is the when AOL went “all you can eat”. It was going to be doom for the internet.
Shows what kind of blockheads are running RIM.
This joker is simply jumping on the “iPhone kills your network” bandwagon that Nielsen continues to “estimate”. So, the analysts have discovered that iPhone users use the network more than other smartphone users?
Well, no sh*t.
But iPhone also has the highest month-to-month service cost of any other smartphone? And it’s ALOT more than the nearest rival, by something like 50%!
So, AT&T should be rolling in dough, right? I work in IT and it’s pretty well understood how to correct a bandwidth issue, you simply add more. AT&T has made all kinds of claims that they’ve improved their network, but for crying out loud, I live less than 20 miles from Toledo and still have only EDGE at the house? Verizon has had EV-DO here for YEARS.
I hate to sound cynical, but I think that AT&T knows that their exclusive agreement with Apple is going away, probably much sooner than later. When that happens, they’ll see a mass exodus of iPhone customers who’ve suffered their crap service for years (I mean seriously, who would stay with AT&T if iPhone were available else where?)
I honestly believe they’re simply waiting it out. Once they lose the iPhone, they’ll lose all those greedy iPhone users and suddenly AT&Ts network is right back to being undersubscribed, just as it was back in 2007. Bandwidth issue solved.
And all without having spent a penny on the network.
Maybe data providing companies should invest in new technologies that will meet the capacity…
Lets start by getting rid of Adobe Flash and their other massively inefficient web implementations.
You idiotic Apple fanboys are clueless. He’s not the only one saying this. The underlying messageg is that your iPhone and your not-so-useful little apps don’t use compression (for starter) and therefore consume more than its necessary share of the bandwidth. Wireless bandwidth is much much more difficult to expand than its wired counterpart. And all you Apple lemmings have for response is dissing Blackberries. Grow up and grow some brain, fruity knuckleheads.
Again I like to laugh at the iPhans out there who deem the iPhone the high water mark in all things. It has a great browsing experience, I completely agree, but it is plagued with what Mike L is saying, too much bandwidth usage. As others have pointed out RIM has a compression system of data which makes it’s usage user for user much less based on similar usage patterns. Sure the knee-jerk answer is to say the BB browser sucks, and it does, but its WebKit based successor to be released this year (announced yesterday at WMC) will improve that experience.
Go WebKit and Data compression!
Priceless!…. bold statement … getting snappy and bashful comments…LoL
Here, in this part of the world it happened the other way around. The networks are just flocked with humongous BB users getting all distracting contents (pushmails, messengesr)pushed to their calcu… err… device every second. Even with RIM’s ‘efficient’ coding it still clogged every HSDPA networks here… Yikes….
And now they’re about getting new bebkit browser? Geez, i think i need to move to America and use AT&T soon…. seriously, i can handle iphone users better than BB’s… those zombies who have their calcu…er.. BB stitched to their palms… plainly horrible… aliens….
Just looking at this dude reminds me of Boris Yeltsin. He looks the Blackberry part doesn’t he? I wonder if he’s drinking as much as old Boris used to?